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Obama's legacy:

+ Destroyed healthcare

+ Turned race relations back 100 years

+ Attacked the Police and Praised Criminals

+ Doubled the number of people on food stamps

+ Restarted the Cold War

+ Destroyed our Allies and supported our Enemies

+ Weakened our Military

+ Turned the IRS and NSA into the KGB

+ Doubled the national debt

+ Wasted Billions of taxpayer $ on the $cam of "Global Warming"

+ Greatly empowered and supported Islamic radicals

+ Flooded America with illegal Aliens, Muslims and Africans

+ Handed over the Internet

But hey, there are people who actually think his legacy is a great thing.
 
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weaponized the IRS and not one **** was given

 
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You will miss this nigga

400 Obama Accomplishments so far, With Citations

ohhh you will.... YOU WILL
 
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this article distinguishes between deporting criminals and turning a blind eye towards families. it still compares raw numbers. where is your cite?

Obama Has Deported More People Than Any Other President - ABC News
Yeah, sure. I suppose i should have posted some when i initially said it. Also, dont feel bad for not knowing this as it was designed to fool people from its inception. Personally, i think its dirty politics and the figures should return to how they were counter before.

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How the deportation numbers mislead

The truth is that the U.S. is actually deporting fewer people than it did before — but the way in which it is doing so has never been so punitive.

There are two ways in which someone can be forced to leave the U.S. The first is by removal, which the federal government defines as “the compulsory and confirmed movement of an inadmissible or deportable alien out of the United States based on an order of removal.” The second is by return, or “the confirmed movement of an inadmissible or deportable alien out of the United States not based on an order of removal.” That was formerly referred to as a “voluntary departure.”

In fiscal year 2013, the United States removed 368,644 people who were in the country without authorization. That’s down from a record 419,384 the year before. In 2012 — the last year for which federal statistics for both removals and returns are available — the US deported a total of 649,352 people, down from President Bill Clinton’s all-time high of 1,864,343 in fiscal year 2000.

When it is defined as the sum of removals and returns, our understanding of deportation changes. Deportations are not at all-time high levels, but removals are. The Obama administration has removed a record number of immigrants over the past five years, but it’s inaccurate to say that it has deported a record number.
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What has changed is the way people are deported. Today deportation is more permanent, and the consequences more severe.

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Experts weigh in: How should U.S. immigration be reformed?

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In 2011, President Barack Obama’s administration said it would stop deporting undocumented immigrants with no criminal records and give greater priority to those accused or convicted of more serious offenses. About 2 million people have been deported from the U.S. since Obama took office.
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The enforcement ramp-up was during the secure border initiative in 2007–08. In the government nothing happens fast, so it took a while to hire all the people and get everything running. You’ll see numbers on the rise from about ’05–06 until it really started hitting record numbers in ’09. And it has been fairly consistent at 400,000 annually since then.


Do the numbers look artificially large because the U.S. started counting voluntary returns?

It is hard to say when it comes to artificially large numbers. Back in 2007, we started counting what we called voluntary returns. The reason that the agency started counting those numbers is because even though in some instances there are voluntary returns, the agency would still put people on a bus or van and expend resources getting them across the border. For accounting purposes we started counting, but we put an asterisk next to it saying these are numbers we hadn’t counted before. At some point the asterisk got lost and everything started getting counted.

They also started removing people arrested by the border patrol. Historically, CBP [Customs and Border Patrol] would do their own voluntary returns at the border and send them back using their own resources. That changed at some point over the last two to three years. Those arrests would get turned over to ICE. That's where I believe those numbers would be somewhat artificially inflated. Removal is a catchall category for voluntary returns and deportations. Most people crossing the border can’t afford that bond anyway, so they will go into detention. Other people at the border tend to agree to a voluntary return and waive the deportation hearing. They tend to have agreements. Those figures are included in removal figures. The 400,000 figure includes these voluntary removals. I don't know the total number of previously unrecorded removals. It could be in the tens of thousands.
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High deportation figures are misleading

SHINGTON — Immigration activists have sharply criticized President Obama for a rising volume of deportations, labeling him the "deporter in chief" and staging large protests that have harmed his standing with some Latinos, a key group of voters for Democrats.

But the portrait of a steadily increasing number of deportations rests on statistics that conceal almost as much as they disclose. A closer examination shows that immigrants living illegally in most of the continental U.S. are less likely to be deported today than before Obama came to office, according to immigration data.

Expulsions of people who are settled and working in the United States have fallen steadily since his first year in office, and are down more than 40% since 2009.

On the other side of the ledger, the number of people deported at or near the border has gone up — primarily as a result of changing who gets counted in the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency's deportation statistics.

The vast majority of those border crossers would not have been treated as formal deportations under most previous administrations. If all removals were tallied, the total sent back to Mexico each year would have been far higher under those previous administrations than it is now.

Until recent years, most people caught illegally crossing the southern border were simply bused back into Mexico in what officials called "voluntary returns," but which critics derisively termed "catch and release." Those removals, which during the 1990s reached more 1 million a year, were not counted in Immigration and Customs Enforcement's deportation statistics.

Now, the vast majority of border crossers who are apprehended get fingerprinted and formally deported. The change began during the George W. Bush administration and accelerated under Obama. The policy stemmed in part from a desire to ensure that people who had crossed into the country illegally would have formal charges on their records.

In the Obama years, all of the increase in deportations has involved people picked up within 100 miles of the border, most of whom have just recently crossed over. In 2013, almost two-thirds of deportations were in that category.

At the same time, the administration largely ended immigration roundups at workplaces and shifted investigators into targeting business owners who illegally hired foreign workers.

"If you are a run-of-the-mill immigrant here illegally, your odds of getting deported are close to zero — it's just highly unlikely to happen," John Sandweg, until recently the acting director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said in an interview.
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Deportations of people apprehended in the interior of the U.S., which the immigration agency defines as more than 100 miles from the border, dropped from 237,941 in Obama's first year to 133,551 in 2013, according to immigration data. Four out of five of those deportees came to the attention of immigration authorities after criminal convictions.

Many of those convictions are related to crossing the border — the other big consequence of the change in the way border removals are handled.
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Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano was "crowing" about the increasing deportations, said Marshall Fitz, an immigration expert at the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank in Washington.

The Homeland Security Department "was patting itself on the back for reaching these record numbers," Fitz said. "I think they thought it was important to show they were very serious about this."
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The turn away from deporting immigrants from the interior of the country amounts to an open invitation for people to come to the U.S. on a legal visa and stay, said Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.).

"It just cannot be the policy of the U.S. that if somebody gets past the border and gets to St. Louis or Memphis or Austin, Texas, or New York, they are not going to be deported," Sessions said. "The administration is systematically failing to enforce immigration law uniformly."
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Deportation Numbers Unwrapped

A key talking point for proponents of amnesty for illegal aliens is that the Obama administration has made historic improvements to border security and immigration enforcement, leading to “record” numbers of deportations that surpass the performance of earlier administrations. In December 2012, John Morton, then-director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), announced that his agency had removed nearly 410,000 illegal aliens that year. Major news outlets, pro-amnesty lawmakers, and other Obama administration allies heralded this apparent milestone as evidence that the border and illegal immigration were now under control.

On the same day, to far less fanfare, Morton also announced the implementation of new restrictions on how the agents and officers working under him could use their authority to enforce immigration laws. They were told to curtail the use of detainers, or immigration holds, which give ICE officers the opportunity to question and take custody of illegal aliens identified after arrest by a local law enforcement agency. This directive built on an earlier memo, issued in June 2011, which ordered ICE agents not to arrest certain broad categories of illegal aliens, including minor criminals, long-time residents, students, parents, caregivers, and a long list of other excepted categories for whom there was otherwise no statutory basis for special treatment. These and other directives have been euphemistically characterized as “prosecutorial discretion.”

This report examines data from a collection of mostly unpublished internal Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and ICE statistics, to provide an alternative evaluation of the administration’s record on immigration enforcement that is based on raw statistics rather than pre-packaged press kits. These statistics show that, contrary to what is commonly believed, in fact immigration enforcement in the interior has slowed significantly in the last few years. ICE is arresting and removing noticeably fewer illegal aliens from the interior now than was the case five years ago, and even two years ago. Its focus has shifted away from interior enforcement in favor of processing aliens who are apprehended by the Border Patrol.

While the agency claims that it has stewarded resources effectively by guiding agents to hone in on criminals, in fact the number of criminal aliens removed from the interior also has declined, even as ICE’s Enforcement and Removal Operations division (ERO) is notified of more arrested criminal aliens than ever before, through the Secure Communities program. These statistics stand in stark contrast to claims of “record deportations,” which largely have been taken at face value by the news media and many lawmakers.

The report also presents previously unpublished statistics disclosing the startlingly large number of cases on ICE’s post-final-order docket of aliens who have been ordered removed, but who remain living here in defiance of immigration enforcement. These “non-departed” illegal aliens are emblematic of the dysfunction in our immigration system, and must become a priority for enforcement before public trust in our system can be restored.

Key Findings:

The number of deportations resulting from interior enforcement by ICE declined by 19 percent from 2011 to 2012, and is on track to decline another 22 percent in 2013.

In 2012, the year the Obama administration claimed to break enforcement records, more than one-half of removals attributed to ICE were the result of Border Patrol arrests that would never have been counted as a removal in prior years. In 2008, under the Bush administration, only one-third of removals were from Border Patrol arrests.

Total deportations in 2011, the latest year for which complete numbers are available, numbered 715,495 – the lowest level since 1973. The highest number of deportations on record was in 2000, under the Clinton administration, when 1,864,343 aliens were deported.

When claiming record levels of enforcement, the Obama administration appears to count only removals, which are just one form of deportation, and only a partial measure of enforcement. Beginning in 2011, a shift of some of the routine Border Patrol case load to ICE enabled the administration to count an artificially high number of removals.

Homeland Security Investigations (HSI), the division of ICE that is responsible for work site enforcement, combating transnational gangs, overstay enforcement, anti-smuggling and trafficking activity, and busting document and identity theft rings, now contributes very little to immigration enforcement. In 2013 HSI has produced only four percent of ICE deportations, making just a few thousand arrests per year throughout the entire country.

ICE is doing less enforcement with more resources. Despite reporting more encounters in 2013 than 2012, ICE agents pursued deportation of 20 percent fewer aliens this year than last.

Enforcement activity declined in every ICE field office from 2011 to 2013, with the biggest declines in the Atlanta, Salt Lake City, Washington DC/Virginia, and Houston field offices.

Criminal alien arrests declined by 11 percent from 2012 to 2013, despite the completion of the Secure Communities program, which generates more referrals of arrested aliens than ever before. ICE agents took a pass on hundreds of thousands of aliens who were arrested by local authorities in those years.

ICE is carrying a case load of 1.8 million aliens who are either in removal proceedings or have already been ordered removed. Less than two percent are in detention, which is the only proven way to ensure departure.
As of the end of July 2013 there were 872,000 aliens – nearly half of ICE’s total docket – who had been ordered removed but who had not left the country.

The State Department continues to issue tens of thousands of visas annually to citizens of countries that refuse to take back their countrymen who are ordered removed from the United States. Many of these are violent criminals.
The statistics in the tables and charts in this report are taken from internal DHS documents obtained by the Center, including:
a series of reports prepared by the ICE/ERO Statistical Tracking Unit as part of the discovery process for Crane v. Napolitano, the lawsuit brought by ICE agents to challenge the Obama administration’s “prosecutorial discretion” and Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) policies;
two editions of the Weekly Departures and Detention Report covering the same 10-month period of fiscal years 2011-2013 (October 1 to the end of July), prepared by the Statistical Tracking Unit of the ICE Enforcement and Removals Operations division; and the Yearbook of Immigration Statistics published by DHS.
Total Deportations: Lowest Number Since 1973
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[Read rest at link. this is a HUGE article]
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PolitiFact and the Deportation Deception

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Adding a twist to our set of statistics, DHS has changed the way it counts the numbers. An Al Jazeera interview published on April 11 of former U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement official John Torres tells part of that story (bold emphasis added):
Back in 2007, we started counting what we called voluntary returns. The reason that the agency started counting those numbers is because even though in some instances there are voluntary returns, the agency would still put people on a bus or van and expend resources getting them across the border. For accounting purposes we started counting, but we put an asterisk next to it saying these are numbers we hadn’t counted before. At some point the asterisk got lost and everything started getting counted.

They also started removing people arrested by the border patrol. Historically, CBP [Customs and Border Patrol] would do their own voluntary returns at the border and send them back using their own resources. That changed at some point over the last two to three years. Those arrests would get turned over to ICE. That’s where I believe those numbers would be somewhat artificially inflated. Removal is a catchall category for voluntary returns and deportations.
The change Torres mentions may account for much of the unusually high 31 percent increase in ICE border removals occurring in 2012.


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The funny thing with this whole thing, is how Bush needed a way to convince the people who voted for him that he is/was a conservative and was deporting large swaths of illegal aliens and then Obama became president, and his administration had to convince the people that voted for him that he was/is a progressive/liberal and the number are not showing mass deportations.

Politics....
 
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You will miss this nigga

400 Obama Accomplishments so far, With Citations

ohhh you will.... YOU WILL
obama should never have tried, and succeeded, to pass a republican health insurance policy. and he also shouldn't have been ok with denying american citizens due process. and he also shouldn't have associated himself with the clintons - maybe he had to, i don't think he did, and that **** has hurt his legacy bigly.
 
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400 Obama Accomplishments so far, With Citations

ohhh you will.... YOU WILL


I know in your myopic world, growing gvt is a good thing.

To those of us who work and pay taxes, not so much.
 
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i'm glad hillary didn't win

but i'm sad that trump did
 
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I know in your myopic world, growing gvt is a good thing.

To those of us who work and pay taxes, not so much.
OHHHHH YOU WILL MISS THIS NIGGAAAAAH
YOU WILL!!!!
 
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We just had a full 8 years of republicans disrespecting, delegitimizing, and obstructing the president. Often for no reason than just to be dicks. Now they expect everyone to just come together. Just flip the magic switch in the FOX news room to spin things the right way now that a Koch approved person is in there.

Bash Obamacare all you want, the fact is that costs were already spiraling out of control, and republicans whittled the plan down to being useless by the time it was passed. All while providing no actual alternative. And I still have not seen any coherent idea of what Trump plans to replace it with. not a single one has mentioned patents or any other tools used to leverage unreasonable drug prices.

And climate change isn't a scam. Being a denier is very bad for our future.
SS thinks it's like some movie where all the world's scientists hatched a massive conspiracy only to be thwarted by a plucky band of billionaire oil companies. Get ****ed.
You can argue that cap and trade is a scam, or a lot of the other proposed ways to deal with it are. It's no secret that cutting pollution is diametrically opposed to helping the economy and it's enough of a reason for politicians to ignore it. But the fact that we are changing the weather is undisputed at this point. Putting your head in the sand will have Florida underwater ahead of schedule.

And Pence literally thinks electrotherapy can "cure gays". Grade A ******* with typical religious anti-freedom agenda. We can only pray that he stays irrelevant.

These guys won because people hate hillary, not because they are respected.
 
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Melt *****
 
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400 Obama Accomplishments so far, With Citations
If he did all this crap to save money, then why do we have
20 TRILLION in debt and still going?

Everything -SS- said at the top is why people voted for Trump. They basically voted they've had enough.
The people who voted for Killary are SJWs, Union workers, gubiment workers, or unemployed minorities.

This time the whites didn't get guilted into voting for the black person (represented by Killary).
 
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We just had a full 8 years of republicans disrespecting, delegitimizing, and obstructing the president. Often for no reason than just to be dicks. Now they expect everyone to just come together. Just flip the magic switch in the FOX news room to spin things the right way now that a Koch approved person is in there.

Bash Obamacare all you want, the fact is that costs were already spiraling out of control, and republicans whittled the plan down to being useless by the time it was passed. All while providing no actual alternative. And I still have not seen any coherent idea of what Trump plans to replace it with. not a single one has mentioned patents or any other tools used to leverage unreasonable drug prices.

And climate change isn't a scam. Being a denier is very bad for our future.
SS thinks it's like some movie where all the world's scientists hatched a massive conspiracy only to be thwarted by a plucky band of billionaire oil companies. Get ****ed.
You can argue that cap and trade is a scam, or a lot of the other proposed ways to deal with it are. It's no secret that cutting pollution is diametrically opposed to helping the economy and it's enough of a reason for politicians to ignore it. But the fact that we are changing the weather is undisputed at this point. Putting your head in the sand will have Florida underwater ahead of schedule.

And Pence literally thinks electrotherapy can "cure gays". Grade A ******* with typical religious anti-freedom agenda. We can only pray that he stays irrelevant.

These guys won because people hate hillary, not because they are respected.
Are you familiar with elected Democrats?

They will roll over like the spineless ****s they always are, thinking people will respect them more instead of standing up for what they believe in. They will be wrong as usual.
 
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Who gives a **** about your debt?! The world's dept is a ****ing hoax. The debt is an informatic number, projecting unreal money. From the Market's Dictatorship and its Wolves. And you *****es had one job... ONE. To get Bernie Sanders in office to ****ing fix all this neoliberal **** mess. And you failed

USA is the country with the lowest ****ing unemployment rate... That is what really matters for ordinary citizans like you. Stop complaining. Trump ain't gonna fix ****. There's nothing to fix but to rather face the Future and the place of the Machine in the next Technologic-Industrial Revolution. What really matters at this point is to save this planet that is dying thx to our stupidity and lack of technology of the last 60 years.

And obviously, in order to achieve great things, great measures must be accomplished. Like hunting down all the god damned neoliberal wolves and the top 1% that is actually in Power. Do you really believe Trump will do this? One of his first 100 measures to unleash the Rich Families that exploit fossil fuels, for example. They are either going to destroy the American soil and waters or they will go on war in Middle East.

Like I predicted on the "This is for you Trump voters" Thread, ****'s are going down, man... And I hope at least that brings an opportunity for us sheep to fight back on all these ****s.

 
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We just had a full 8 years of republicans disrespecting, delegitimizing, and obstructing the president. Often for no reason than just to be dicks.
I guess you didn't land on planet earth until after Obama enjoyed a super-majority?
 
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What do you mean lowest unemployment. The USA has 94 out of 300 million not working. That's 1 in 3 people and they want to let more in. It's why the blacks are so pissed, because they don't have good jobs, so they're jealous of white success (called privilege). So we're supposed to let thousands of Syrians in who don't even speak English and still want to follow Sharia law? That worked out really good over in Germany. The UK left the EU (Brexit) saying they had enough, and Germany voted Merkel out of office. Now we have the USA voting for Trump and half the people still don't get it. The debt matters because when the federal gubiment prints money, it causes inflation to those who are actually working.
 
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The debt won't go away overnight, it took decades to get so high. But he did cut the deficit by a lot.
 
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+ Wasted Billions of taxpayer $ on the $cam of "Global Warming"
this and coming after states who have voted to regulate reefer are my only real concerns with trump and a republican majority everywhere else.

climate change isn't debatable. there is no reason we can't switch to renewables + modern nuclear for 90% of our energy requirements. yet we won't.

i'm also concerned what fat christie is going to do about all the recreational state laws now on the books. the religitard republicans are WAAAAYYY out of step with the american people here. Every single one of those rustbelt states that flipped for Trump have laws on the books. c
 
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what a stupid ****ing statistic. look into workforce participation and the definition of an unemployed worker. stick to your 3rd world country.
 
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