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181 - 05-22-2012, 13:13
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Thx alot Worldcom
 
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182 - 05-22-2012, 13:21
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i love how people get all upset about how the facebook stock is being manipulated by the big players on wall street.

every stock is manipulated by them. but since it's facebook now everyone cares. get ****ed, systems been broken for a long time and now people want to cry foul.
 
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Actually the banks suck at black box trading, they are big lobbyists against it because they haven't had luck making money that way hah
and jew financial institutions... its all the same to me
 
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i love how people get all upset about how the facebook stock is being manipulated by the big players on wall street.

every stock is manipulated by them. but since it's facebook now everyone cares. get ****ed, systems been broken for a long time and now people want to cry foul.
its why i laugh at these threads to begin with... everyone tryharding thinking theyre special if they make a little $ when ultimately the system is design against them. its simple zero sum game theory applied.
 
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you think it's zero sum game theory?
i'm just getting into that sort of stuff right now so i'm not capable of having an intelligent conversation as to whether it is or isn't. i will be in like 6 months, but until then i'm interested in anything further you have to add to that...
 
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well simply put game theory is the study of seeking an optimum understanding of a complex system containing many (often distinct and unknown) variables. in this case:

complex system: stock market
understanding: trading strategy
variables: traders and the external variables that influence them (ex: earthquake? buy construction stocks!)

its zero sum because for every gain there is an equal/opposite loss.

and there are major players with immense resources and advantages (legal and technical) over the average player that play the game with the single goal of taking as much $ as possible away from either the little guy or another big guy... imagine a basketball game of titans and and one player is a crowd of tiny people

examples of their advantages:
resources: advanced and faster access to the external variables
legal: methods to circumvent ftc regulations such as insider trading
technical: trading AI written by the best and very well paid engineers. supposedly 70-80% of trades occur this way now.
institutional: clients they can exploit and therefore do (its goldman sach's creed! lol)

any stories of the average guy making it in this game plays more to the strategy of the top players than otherwise since it gives hope for more fodder to jump in... just as its good business for casinos to have winners now and then.
 
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yo dawgs i herd fishdix and twitchtv gon be on wallstreet niggas

betta buy that **** up
 
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yeah i know the stock software is AI based. i believe most of it falls into the category of evolutionary algorithms.

my understanding of zero sum game theory was more that the idea was that at 0 both sides are equal, and as one side gains an advantage you move away from zero in their direction (say negative for the red team, positive for the blue team) and i was more curious in that aspect of it.

but yeah i see what you're saying.
 
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189 - 05-22-2012, 15:59
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You bought Fagbook stock?

 
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its zero sum because for every gain there is an equal/opposite loss.
sounds like you dont understand how the stock market works
 
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stock market is not zero sum...
 
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it is today... you're thinking of a public company's creation of wealth, how important is that today compared to 30+ years ago? the .com boom is a good example of how its zero sum.

a short article outlining why you think it is a zero-sum game when in practice it really isnt (for the average joe)
http://wealth.net/2011/03/29/is-the-...zero-sum-game/
 
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No surprise here.
 
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stock market is not zero sum...
ya i was like i dont know wtf you are talking about but this smells like ****
 
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you know what makes me mad? when the chinese food people get pissed off at the phone at you because you had some static and they couldnt hear you. well guess what *****es i can never understand you because you dont speak english but I deal with it! **** you guys im going to china king and not szechuan empire then!
 
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fuk happy and detox r both retarded LOL

yo guys life is zero sum game cuz 4 every breath of oxygen i take some1 else doesnt get 1

gg i am king





also idk if rayn programs trading strats, or indicators or works for a platform company etc


hft r very powerful and renaissance technologies has 50 mit phd's working for it and james simmons is an illuminati he lives next door to george sorros on the same fukin floor etc etc

ya hft is powerful ****

ppl still make a living playing daily spreads and basic plays from prop firms

a bunch of ppl on this forum do this

maybe supporting a family is out of the question using simple at home trading **** but u can definitely pay rent on it if u r g00d
 
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it is today... you're thinking of a public company's creation of wealth, how important is that today compared to 30+ years ago? the .com boom is a good example of how its zero sum.

a short article outlining why you think it is a zero-sum game when in practice it really isnt (for the average joe)
Is the stock market really a zero-sum game? | wealth.net
you don't understand how the stock market works therefore you equate it to gambling gg you are ignorant dare is king
 
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lol its like talking to religitards... except instead of christianity or whatever its wall street.
 
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uhh wat

i hate wallstreet and think most of the practices of things like dark pools and hft the full time day trader rule by the sec market maker enduced latency etc pretty much **** over the average person that could profit from a more transparent market

that doesnt make wat u r saying right tho

gg i am king
 
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theoretically the stock market should be zero sum

but its not
 
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