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121 - 04-28-2012, 12:30 AM
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Theyre just covering their bases.

Obscene **** is stuff that the SC has deemed to be unfit. Which is almost nothing except child porn.

How child porn can be written, I dont know.
 
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Well after googling a bit more for any CISPA riders that might amend title 18 and not finding anything but a few posts on 4chan and tumblr, I'm just going to assume Dare is a dumbass and so are the rest of you for believing him.

Judging from what has been posted I'm also convinced that pretty much none of you understand the reasons WHY CISPA is bad. It is a bill that will potentially affect your privacy, not one that will censor/filter the internet and it has absolutely jack **** to do with obscenity on the internet. If you're going to *****, at least take the damn time to read the law and ***** about it for the right reasons.
 
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Lenticular comments on Insanity: CISPA Just Got Way Worse, And Then Passed On Rushed Vote

900 up votes 4 some gay fags lie anyway many ppl jumped the gun

cispa is still bad and swearing is good

gg i am king
 
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[18 USC § 231 - Civil disorders]

(3) Whoever commits or attempts to commit any act to obstruct, impede, or interfere with any fireman or law enforcement officer lawfully engaged in the lawful performance of his official duties incident to and during the commission of a civil disorder which in any way or degree obstructs, delays, or adversely affects commerce or the movement of any article or commodity in commerce or the conduct or performance of any federally protected function— Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. (b) Nothing contained in this section shall make unlawful any act of any law enforcement officer which is performed in the lawful performance of his official duties.

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[18 USC Chapter 13 - CIVIL RIGHTS/18 USC § 241 - Conspiracy against rights]

If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured— They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

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Well after googling a bit more for any CISPA riders that might amend title 18 and not finding anything but a few posts on 4chan and tumblr, I'm just going to assume Dare is a dumbass and so are the rest of you for believing him.

Judging from what has been posted I'm also convinced that pretty much none of you understand the reasons WHY CISPA is bad. It is a bill that will potentially affect your privacy, not one that will censor/filter the internet and it has absolutely jack **** to do with obscenity on the internet. If you're going to *****, at least take the damn time to read the law and ***** about it for the right reasons.
what the **** are you talking about i stated exactly what this bill does.

the fourth amendment doesnt apply anmore and all it takes is literally any **** head to say u committed a crime and ur ****ing toast. doesnt matter if its true, or if the person is in any way credible, your data is forfeit and u will be charged
 
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this is literally a direct attack on the american people
 
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u ****ers say good bye to the free internet. we will be on the great american intranet like the ****ing chinese for the rest of our 'free' lives.

like i said before the only upperhand we got in this is there are a lot of hackivist kids that have been fighting this type of **** in third world countries for a long time. dont be surprised when their tools and utilities for getting on the free internet are directly targetted after this **** passes
 
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yep this is some of the most fascist legislation this country has ever seen

if you're not pissed off about this you should just kill yourself

gg america
 
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Theyre just covering their bases.

Obscene **** is stuff that the SC has deemed to be unfit. Which is almost nothing except child porn.

How child porn can be written, I dont know.
A lawyer who knows nothing of law and the forces driving it. I don't think anybody really believes you are a lawyer...

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In 1993 Kagan (jew) authored an article Regulation of Hate Speech and Pornography After R.A.V., 60 University of Chicago Law Review 873 (1993), in which she cautioned Americans not to disparage the principle of viewpoint neutrality. It is a moderate, well-reasoned piece that anticipates later developments in First Amendment law.

Kagan wrote this article at a time when many governmental entities were seeking to outlaw hate speech and pornography. The City of St. Paul, Minnesota, enacted a law that made it a crime to display certain symbols that were "likely to arouse anger, alarm, or resentment on the basis of race, religion, or gender." The City of Indianapolis adopted an ordinance making it a crime to depict women as "the graphic sexually explicit subordination of women, whether in pictures or in words." The Supreme Court struck down both of these laws. In R.A.V. v. St. Paul (1992) the Court struck down the St. Paul ordinance on the ground that it was a "viewpoint-based" law – that is, it is a law that punishes people for expressing a particular point of view. In 1985, in the case of American Booksellers v. Hudnut, the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals struck down the Indianapolis ordinance on the same ground. Writing for the court, Judge Easterbrook said, "the Indianapolis ordinance … is not neutral with respect to viewpoint." The Supreme Court summarily affirmed the Circuit Court's decision in Hudnut in 1986.

Kagan defends the decisions in both R.A.V. and Hudnut. She states:

[T]he principle of viewpoint neutrality, which now stands as the primary barrier to certain modes of regulating pornography and hate speech, has at its core much good sense and reason. Although here I can do no more than touch on the issue, my view is that efforts to regulate pornography and hate speech not only will fail, but also should fail to the extent that they trivialize or subvert this principle.



In the final portion of her article Kagan suggests three ways that laws against hate speech or pornography could be enforced. She states that the government could:

1. Prohibit conduct (not speech) that is motivated by hatred (such as physical assaults) or sexual degredation of women (such as prostitution and pimping). This approach was used in the case of Wisconsin v. Mitchell (1993), in which the Court affirmed the conviction of an individual who had led a gang's racial attack upon another person;

2. Enhance existing content-based laws. She states: "One potential course is to enact legislation, or use existing legislation, prohibiting carefully defined kinds of harassment, threats, or intimidation, including but not limited to those based on race and sex." This approach was later adopted by the Supreme Court in the case of Virginia v. Black (2003), in which the Court upheld a law making it illegal to burn a cross with the intent of intimidating someone;

3. Expand the definition of obscenity so that it regulates the depiction of sexual violence rather than simply "prurient" depictions of sex. The Supreme Court has not yet considered this possibility.
 
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yep this is some of the most fascist legislation this country has ever seen

if you're not pissed off about this you should just kill yourself

gg america
It's not fascist, it's Marxist. Nazi Germany had referendums all the time.
 
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what the **** are you talking about i stated exactly what this bill does.

the fourth amendment doesnt apply anmore and all it takes is literally any **** head to say u committed a crime and ur ****ing toast. doesnt matter if its true, or if the person is in any way credible, your data is forfeit and u will be charged
Did you read any of the other posts in the beginning of this thread? Pretty much all of them were reacting off what Dare posted, which had **** all to do with CISPA.

CISPA as originally writtern was all about the potential loss of privacy that might occur when government and private computer security companies shared confidental information. It's a potential loss of privacy because there weren't enough restrictions on WHAT data could be shared and because there was no liability if a company misused the data they recieved. This IN ITSELF is bad enough without having to go into histrionics about what the bill DOES NOT DO!

The amendments proposed prior to it passing in the house were attempts to address those issues.

Conyer's amendment to the bill attempts to remove the exemption from criminal liability in cases of misuse.

Goodlatte's amendment attempts to restrict what data can be shared in order to protect an individual's personal privacy and to protect proprietary information. It limited the type of data that can be shared to only information that is DIRECTLY related to hacking attempts and specifically EXCLUDES data that "solely involve violations of consumer terms of service or consumer licensing agreements (aka DMCA/piracy violations) and do NOT otherwise constitute unauthorized access (which means hacking attempts (again!) for the slow ones)."

Quayle's amendment also attempts to narrow the scope of what can be prosecuted by the government using CISPA to only hacking, murder/bodily harm, and kiddy porn.

As far as I can tell, pretty much the entire ****storm that's brewed up the last few hours is due to a misunderstanding of what Quayle's amendment does. The ones going on about how the fourth amendment no longer applies are the ones who think Quayle's amendment gives the government carte blanche to prosecute anything that falls under title 18 (all crimes), when in fact what the amendment ACTUALLY SAYS is "the violation of a provision of Federal law relating to computer crimes, including a violation of any provision of title 18, United Stats Code, created or amended by the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986."

"ANY PROVISION OF TITLE 18, USC MOTHER****ING CREATED OR AMENDED BY THE COMPUTER FRAUD AND ABUSE ACT OF 1986*" NOT "any provision of title 18 USC PERIOD."

*Which deals with one and only one crime only: hacking federal (and some specific financial institutions') computers.
 
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As this is still not law, **** this thread.

If it does become law, f*ck that sh*t.
 
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Did you read any of the other posts in the beginning of this thread? Pretty much all of them were reacting off what Dare posted, which had **** all to do with CISPA.

CISPA as originally writtern was all about the potential loss of privacy that might occur when government and private computer security companies shared confidental information. It's a potential loss of privacy because there weren't enough restrictions on WHAT data could be shared and because there was no liability if a company misused the data they recieved. This IN ITSELF is bad enough without having to go into histrionics about what the bill DOES NOT DO!

The amendments proposed prior to it passing in the house were attempts to address those issues.

Conyer's amendment to the bill attempts to remove the exemption from criminal liability in cases of misuse.

Goodlatte's amendment attempts to restrict what data can be shared in order to protect an individual's personal privacy and to protect proprietary information. It limited the type of data that can be shared to only information that is DIRECTLY related to hacking attempts and specifically EXCLUDES data that "solely involve violations of consumer terms of service or consumer licensing agreements (aka DMCA/piracy violations) and do NOT otherwise constitute unauthorized access (which means hacking attempts (again!) for the slow ones)."

Quayle's amendment also attempts to narrow the scope of what can be prosecuted by the government using CISPA to only hacking, murder/bodily harm, and kiddy porn.

As far as I can tell, pretty much the entire ****storm that's brewed up the last few hours is due to a misunderstanding of what Quayle's amendment does. The ones going on about how the fourth amendment no longer applies are the ones who think Quayle's amendment gives the government carte blanche to prosecute anything that falls under title 18 (all crimes), when in fact what the amendment ACTUALLY SAYS is "the violation of a provision of Federal law relating to computer crimes, including a violation of any provision of title 18, United Stats Code, created or amended by the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986."

"ANY PROVISION OF TITLE 18, USC MOTHER****ING CREATED OR AMENDED BY THE COMPUTER FRAUD AND ABUSE ACT OF 1986*" NOT "any provision of title 18 USC PERIOD."

*Which deals with one and only one crime only: hacking federal (and some specific financial institutions') computers.
You have accurately described the situation, and made some very good points. But all I can think about when reading this post is

 
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Yeah, guilty, but I think people who raise a ruckus about political issues without actually bothering to understand the issues are just as big of a problem as the government wanting to do ****ed up **** in the first place. There's no cure for the willfully dumb. These are your fellow voters.

That kind of stupid crap diverts attention away from the actual problems and the possible solutions by turning the discussion toward fictional situations that were never an issue in the first place.

Or in the case of Dare in this thread...protesting a half century old existing law that most people probably don't even know exists because they don't really enforce that ****ing crap anymore. Speaking of which, how many of you know that the distribution of hard-core porn, whether by mail, in stores, over the radio, on your TV or simply giving it to your friends is STILL illegal? Wrap your heads around that concept and maybe the doomsayers will realize another thing about legality in the US that has been true since the nation formed: what is law is not necessarily the same thing as what is enforced or enforcable.

This entire thread has been surreal, I came into it expecting to see some new development on CISPA, only to see about six pages of what basically boiled down to, "****ing unicorns! How do they work?!?"
 
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yep this is some of the most fascist legislation this country has ever seen
Not by a longshot.

Alien and Sedition Acts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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The Sedition Act (officially An Act in Addition to the Act Entitled "An Act for the Punishment of Certain Crimes against the United States"; ch. 74, 1 Stat. 596) made it a crime to publish "false, scandalous, and malicious writing" against the government or certain officials.
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Benjamin Franklin Bache, the grandson of Benjamin Franklin, was editor of the Aurora, a Republican newspaper. Bache had accused George Washington of incompetence and financial irregularities, and "the blind, bald, crippled, toothless, querulous ADAMS" of nepotism and monarchical ambition. The Adams administration did not wait for the passage of the Sedition Act but arrested Bache on common law libel charges on June 27, 1798, two weeks before the Act was signed by the President. Bache died of yellow fever in 1798 while awaiting trial.
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if you're not pissed off about this you should just kill yourself

gg america
Do you think bringing up all the problems and being mad at them is good substitute for having a solution to any of them? I mean, besides "just don't BELIEVE in it, man".
 
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I wouldn't be liable for swearing if it was made illegal on the Internet, they would go after the people who posted, not that this is what this bill means.
 
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AMURICA 1984 (**** yeah !)
 
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Yeah, guilty, but I think people who raise a ruckus about political issues without actually bothering to understand the issues are just as big of a problem as the government wanting to do ****ed up **** in the first place. There's no cure for the willfully dumb. These are your fellow voters.

That kind of stupid crap diverts attention away from the actual problems and the possible solutions by turning the discussion toward fictional situations that were never an issue in the first place.

Or in the case of Dare in this thread...protesting a half century old existing law that most people probably don't even know exists because they don't really enforce that ****ing crap anymore. Speaking of which, how many of you know that the distribution of hard-core porn, whether by mail, in stores, over the radio, on your TV or simply giving it to your friends is STILL illegal? Wrap your heads around that concept and maybe the doomsayers will realize another thing about legality in the US that has been true since the nation formed: what is law is not necessarily the same thing as what is enforced or enforcable.

This entire thread has been surreal, I came into it expecting to see some new development on CISPA, only to see about six pages of what basically boiled down to, "****ing unicorns! How do they work?!?"
aside from the op and a few jokes i really couldnt give a fuk about cispa

i dont even live in america

im not protesting anything

i copied a post from reddit that had 900 upvotes and comments supporting it and it later got corrected

u r a fag

i am king

gg
 
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rosecrantz cry like wah wah
 
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