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RandalltheVandal 04-05-2016 12:20

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Originally Posted by MadHatSam (Post 18552067)
That seems pretty naive to believe that this one guy this time is honest.

naive?

:lol:

wtf hes the only one of his type in my personal lifetime...


naive? they dont give a **** whether he actually is honest or not.

His perception is that he says what he thinks regardless of the consequences.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-e...ReleaseID=2311

Why vote for someone you KNOW is dishonest, verse someone that might be?

i guess because shes a good politician? :lol: **** outta here

RandalltheVandal 04-05-2016 12:24

http://www.wnd.com/2016/04/what-trump-has-wrought/

Pat Buchanan sums it up imo

MadHatSam 04-05-2016 12:31

Why is expressing doubt about Trump automatically equate to support of Hillary in your mind?

JoMo 04-05-2016 12:33

Poll: More than 9 in 10 Trump voters feel ***8216;under attack***8217;

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...s-under-attack

Ninety-one percent of Trump backers think their ***8220;beliefs and values are under attack.***8221;

In addition, 85 percent of the outspoken billionaire***8217;s fans ***8220;agree***8221; with the statement, ***8220;America has lost its identity.***8221;

And 78 percent ***8220;strongly agree***8221; that they***8217;re ***8220;falling further and further behind economically.***8221;'


The poll found 84 percent of Trump backers want ***8220;a leader who is willing to say or do anything to solve America***8217;s problems.***8221;

And 90 percent said ***8220;public officials don***8217;t care what people like me think.***8221;

RandalltheVandal 04-05-2016 12:34

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Originally Posted by MadHatSam (Post 18552081)
Why is expressing doubt about Trump automatically equate to support of Hillary in your mind?

because he's the only thing standing in her way?


do u need me to draw u a picture?

MadHatSam 04-05-2016 12:38

Except he has polled worse against her than any other candidate. He is the only person in the field with higher unfavorable ratings.

RandalltheVandal 04-05-2016 12:41

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Originally Posted by MadHatSam (Post 18552085)
Except he has polled worse against her than any other candidate. He is the only person in the field with higher unfavorable ratings.

so you are saying neither are going to win the presidency?

or are you just trying to make argument for the sake of it?


Do you honestly believe someone other than Hillary or Trump will win?


i think ur just trolling now

MadHatSam 04-05-2016 12:49

I think Trump has ensured Hillary will win baring her actually getting indicted for something. I don't think Trump can win because he can't help but be himself and he isn't going to get the type of national support he needs in the general. It is still early, and lots of things can happen and change between now and November but Trump becoming someone else seems to be pretty damn unlikely.

RandalltheVandal 04-05-2016 12:52

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Originally Posted by MadHatSam (Post 18552091)
I think Trump has ensured Hillary will win baring her actually getting indicted for something. I don't think Trump can win because he can't help but be himself and he isn't going to get the type of national support he needs in the general. It is still early, and lots of things can happen and change between now and November but Trump becoming someone else seems to be pretty damn unlikely.

:rolleyes:

Fool 04-05-2016 13:15

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Originally Posted by MadHatSam (Post 18552091)
I think Trump has ensured Hillary will win baring her actually getting indicted for something. I don't think Trump can win because he can't help but be himself and he isn't going to get the type of national support he needs in the general. It is still early, and lots of things can happen and change between now and November but Trump becoming someone else seems to be pretty damn unlikely.

I honestly don't know anymore. I didn't think Trump would even win a single primary before, and yet here we are. I don't know if people will turn out to vote for him in the general. I don't know if Bernie supporters will really turn out to vote for Hillary. I don't know if Hillary can really maintain her position in the polls when she's spent her whole career not maintaining a position.

Only thing I do know is that taking a poll as gospel is stupid.

Ender 04-05-2016 13:20

he's going to lose wisconsin.

JoMo 04-05-2016 13:25

I'd expect him to lose Wisconsin. The head of the RNC is from Wisconsin, Rinsed Penis. Then you have the speaker of the House, Paul Ryan, from Wisconsin, and then you have a Republican Gov, Scott Walker. In addition, you've had 24/7 #NeverTrump across the entire state for months now.

I noticed Trump trashed Scott Walker pretty hard. Walker has low approval rating in the state, but high approval rating in the GOP. Wisconsin is an open primary, meaning independents and Democrats can vote for the Repub nominee. So he's probably hoping for a lot of crossover votes.

Kerosene31 04-05-2016 13:33

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Originally Posted by MadHatSam (Post 18552091)
I think Drumpf has ensured Hillary will win baring her actually getting indicted for something. I don't think Drumpf can win because he can't help but be himself and he isn't going to get the type of national support he needs in the general. It is still early, and lots of things can happen and change between now and November but Drumpf becoming someone else seems to be pretty damn unlikely.

Don't spoil it for people! I don't care what people want to happen, I really don't see how people see Trump winning.

RandalltheVandal 04-05-2016 13:36

and i cant see how people of good conscious can vote for hillary

so i guess we are all stumped

MadHatSam 04-05-2016 13:42

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Originally Posted by Fool (Post 18552101)
I honestly don't know anymore. I didn't think Trump would even win a single primary before, and yet here we are. I don't know if people will turn out to vote for him in the general. I don't know if Bernie supporters will really turn out to vote for Hillary. I don't know if Hillary can really maintain her position in the polls when she's spent her whole career not maintaining a position.

Only thing I do know is that taking a poll as gospel is stupid.

I think the support for Bernie will mostly support Hillary, sure some of the younger kids might not show up but that wouldn't be surprising. As much as Bernie is riding populist leftist support he isn't trying to break the Democratic party apart. Their debates have been mostly civil any they at least share a fair number of positions.

That isn't true in the Republican field, Trump just showed up and he doesn't care about 30% of the established Republican platform. He doesn't care about the party itself considering he has mostly been running against it and the establishment. He believes in nationalism, protectionist economic policies and a somewhat isolationist foreign policy. Not all of these are new to the Republican party but they have been mothballed for the last 30+ years.

In a different world with a smaller focused Republican field I think Hillary would be looking really weak right now, instead she has had time to find the positions that she thinks make her look good for the general, and sure Bernie is going to stick around until the end but again baring a scandal that actually sticks I don't think he can defeat her.

It has been depressing that any of these people that have been running since last summer could be the next President, they all just look so ****ing ****ty.

MadHatSam 04-05-2016 13:45

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Originally Posted by RandalltheVandal (Post 18552107)
and i cant see how people of good conscious can vote for hillary

so i guess we are all stumped

Sometimes it sounds like you were born yesterday, party identification may be down overall but has long been a pretty damn accurate predictor of actual voting behavior logic, reason or actual worth of the candidates be damned.

Kerosene31 04-05-2016 13:54

Which is why the 2 party system is completely retarded and broken. Neither party even stands for what it is supposed to anymore. Plus the political spectrum has gone so haywire that the middle isn't really even the middle anymore.

Your justification for voting one way is most likely "because the other side sucks" and that just blows.

MadHatSam 04-05-2016 14:13

We don't necessarily need more parties, although I wish we had more viable options at least for the legislative branch. We need to remove the money and obscene personal enrichment that comes from being elected. It has removed the incentive to be a leader from our elected officials instead all they need to do is follow the money.

Party line voting will always be a problem since the electorate is too large to have a truly informed electorate. Also the corruption in the media helps lower the amount of useful information that is mass marketed.

MasterGnr 04-05-2016 14:17

Last year every "expert" said that Trump wouldn't last past January. Then they said he'd never stay in the lead. Now if you are so confident that Trump will lose...think again.

Most prediction models have him beating both Hillary or Bernie.

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Kerosene31 04-05-2016 14:23

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Originally Posted by MasterGnr (Post 18552124)
Last year every "expert" said that Drumpf wouldn't last past January. Then they said he'd never stay in the lead. Now if you are so confident that Drumpf will lose...think again.

Most prediction models have him beating both Hillary or Bernie.

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Most "polls" are just small sample size bull****. Often less than 1000 people and it doesn't take the electoral college into account at all.

Trump isn't even a lock to win the nomination even if he wins the nomination. It is bull**** but that's what it is.

I am not big on him, but he should win the damn nomination as he has the most votes. However that very well may not be the case.

RandalltheVandal 04-05-2016 14:34

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Originally Posted by MadHatSam (Post 18552109)
Sometimes it sounds like you were born yesterday, party identification may be down overall but has long been a pretty damn accurate predictor of actual voting behavior logic, reason or actual worth of the candidates be damned.

you keep trying to compare this election with those in the past.

have fun.

MadHatSam 04-05-2016 14:57

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Originally Posted by RandalltheVandal (Post 18552130)
you keep trying to compare this election with those in the past.

have fun.

Damn son you got some Trump colored glasses on.

The Democrat primary isn't some historical oddity. ~30% of the nation identifies as Democrat so you got a likely 27% of the nation that will vote for Hillary. Past performance isn't some guarantee of future events obviously but they can still be a pretty damn useful reference point on.

RandalltheVandal 04-05-2016 15:04

Do I? Funny considering the only way ill vote for him is if he runs against Clinton. Already voted against the **** couple weeks ago


**** off. But im ~70% sure your numbers are pulled outta yer ass

Pirate Steve 04-05-2016 15:05

40% of the time it works every time.

Captain Tele 04-05-2016 15:05

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Originally Posted by RandalltheVandal (Post 18552061)
uh

then u keep punching air.


Trumps political rhetoric is nonsensical. Everyone knows it, regardless if u think a few hicks and inbreds believe him when he says some of the **** he does. Hes winning the rest of the support because he comes off sincere. Flawed and sincere.

Completely the opposite of Clinton imo.

Exactly....

Trump is a last ditch **** You vote

We all realize the status quo isn't working. People like MHS say you CAN fix our broken status quo by further allowing our political elite, hence the whores they work for, to create more legislature.....pass more provably bad laws (given their 40+k last year.....40+k the year before). I say remove the politics from the money then I will give them the keys to something again. Not before then. Never again before then.

The more pissed off people become the more they want something else

insert Bernie (Socialism)......or Trump (Fascism)

at this point they might vote in dead Hitler or Stalin themselves to stop what they are seeing today.

The more pissed off and hopeless people feel the more Trump sounds like a great idea to them.

"Trump Voters Are Not Just Angry - They Want Revenge"

Behind The Trump/Sanders "Revolution": Angry White Men

It is some sight to see.....

I used to wonder how WWI and WWII happened and now I know.

We are literally living in an amazing transition era.

:popcorn:

RandalltheVandal 04-05-2016 15:08

~namaste~

it'll get much worse before it gets any better

:popcorn:

JoMo 04-05-2016 15:36

Trump is not a fascist.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaell.../#1a0c9b51795f

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/o...311-story.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ump-a-fascist/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2...ng-new-in-ame/

http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...ascist/424449/

Validuz 04-05-2016 17:15

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Originally Posted by Federere (Post 18551748)
All Trump supporters are being logged and will be made fun of/shamed when final results are in.

I'd be far more sad about Hillary/Bernie/Cruz winning than embarrassed about being on that list.

Not that I support Trump, but he's clearly the best candidate left.

Validuz 04-05-2016 17:33

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Originally Posted by JoMo (Post 18552073)
Hey man, stop lying about Bernie.

I think he passed legislation that renamed a Post Office or two.

BERNIE SANDERS ONLY PASSED 3 BILLS, 2 RENAMED POST OFFICES

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/26...iel-greenfield

:rofl:

Eggi 04-05-2016 17:41

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Originally Posted by JoMo (Post 18552073)
Hey man, stop lying about Bernie.

I think he passed legislation that renamed a Post Office or two.

BERNIE SANDERS ONLY PASSED 3 BILLS, 2 RENAMED POST OFFICES

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/26...iel-greenfield

why do u post such dumb things? do you really think a senator who has been in office for 25 years has done nothing but rename a post office?
here are the 3 senators running for office & the # of bills theyve sponsored over the years. & number of bills sponsored don't reflect their activity in shaping legislation through committees, etc. so please quit being dumb.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/mem...sanders/400357
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bil...sponsor=412573
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bil...sponsor=300022

ps cruz is terrible

Shiloh 04-05-2016 18:03

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Originally Posted by Eggi (Post 18552237)
do you really think a senator who has been in office for 25 years has done nothing but rename a post office?

correct.

he has also failed at overseeing the veteran's administration.

Dangerdoggie 04-05-2016 18:15

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Originally Posted by JoMo (Post 18551459)

Plus, he tweets fan-made videos. What a madman!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyQ8k7D91L8

Trump Effect

https://vid.me/Okvs

Quote:

"The video was an unauthorized use of our IP," an EA spokesperson told Game Informer. "We do not support our assets being used in political campaigns."
Textbook example of the streisand effect.?

KingSobieski 04-05-2016 19:00

Just gonna put this here........

Cruz auditions as Harry Shearers' replacement
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K0sRkvX4KE

Harry Shearer's response
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0CZfliVMAo

-SS- 04-05-2016 19:16

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Originally Posted by Kerosene31 (Post 18552127)
Most "polls" are just small sample size bull****. Often less than 1000 people and it doesn't take the electoral college into account at all.

...

Statistics, how do they work?

What say you about nate silver then?

Share your methodology since you said sample size is 'bull****'. It will be illuminating to hear what you would do as opposed to professionals who use roughly the same samples sizes with 95% confidence +/- 3%.

Would like to see how you handle roughly 200 million people of voting age.

Captain Tele 04-05-2016 19:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eggi (Post 18552237)
why do u post such dumb things?

this is just funny

eggi says trump tax plan is dumb because relies on 10% growth

growth not possible since last century

never mind record new budget this year. 10+ trillion in new deficit blown over past decade. record new debt levels and ceilings eveywhere

but eggi buys stocks, brags about +10% returns.....and couldn't be prouder of OWEBAMA economy

I'd ask **** for brains which is it.....but he would have to ask HUFFPO first

Or, you know, we could just laugh at him calling others dumb

Kerosene31 04-05-2016 19:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by -SS- (Post 18552269)
Statistics, how do they work?

What say you about nate silver then?

Share your methodology since you said sample size is 'bull****'. It will be illuminating to hear what you would do as opposed to professionals who use roughly the same samples sizes with 95% confidence +/- 3%.

Would like to see how you handle roughly 200 million people of voting age.

:ftard:

My view of stats is obviously very liberal. Sorry to dare question anything that you wish would happen. The tooth fairy is real, the news media never, ever uses polls to make uninteresting elections interesting, and when baby bunnies die they go to baby bunny heaven which is awesome.

Search enough and you'll find a poll saying just about anything. A few predicted Kasich winning big in multiple states.

Elections are hard to predict when you have a wild card like Trump, but basically a large number of people sheepishly follow a party. The thing usually comes down to a few battleground states and some voters in the undecided middle.

You know why they call them undecided? Because their names are all Steve or Herbert. :finger:

But hey, I won't celebrate president Hillary. I won't even vote for her. I will enjoy watching people freak out just like they did when Obama won...twice. Stock up on ammo lol

Captain Tele 04-05-2016 19:44

people blindly following party voting for Trump

but even GOP hates Trump

most old guard saying they too will vote Hillary if that is what it takes to derail the Trump train.

I don't even watch the ****ing news and know more about what is happening than most of you **** heads. WTF is wrong with you Kerosene31?

JoMo 04-05-2016 19:45

Exit polls look close in WI for Trump/Cruz. Trump won late deciders by 2% in one poll. He usually does very poorly with late deciders.

KingSobieski 04-05-2016 19:49

Media made it look like cruz sweep with one marquette poll covering 400 people. Cant stump the trump train


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Captain Tele 04-05-2016 19:55

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...29/965/63e.gif


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