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Captain Tele 06-19-2016 18:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by -SS- (Post 18592946)
dude, he got a black eye from you posting the proof of that letter

was pretty amusing actually since he based it on being an expat

humiliating haha

poor dildo tea baggins coombzy

what he lacks in understanding he makes up for in self assurance and hubris

coombz 06-19-2016 18:24

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Originally Posted by -SS- (Post 18592953)
lol desperate to save face

proving that you're wrong is just too ****ing easy
you'd better build a strawman if you're ever gonna beat me
all my posts are right there for everyone to see, G
the way you ride your buddies dick makes me ****ing queasy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Tele (Post 18592956)
what he lacks in understanding he makes up for in self assurance and hubris

don't forget lyrical skills

Captain Tele 06-19-2016 18:25

~mad beatz~

-SS- 06-19-2016 18:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by coombz (Post 18592962)
proving that you're wrong is just too ****ing easy
you'd better build a strawman if you're ever gonna beat me
all my posts are right there for everyone to see, G
the way you ride your buddies dick makes me ****ing queasy

:lol: touchy and a crybaby

calm down slappy, u got rolled so deal with it

cerebral 06-19-2016 19:04

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Originally Posted by Captain Tele (Post 18592904)
a system in place....lol



E-Verify - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

nobody got time for this ****.....it don't buy illegal immigrant votes and doesn't pander to anyone

be it those who want to exploit cheap labor or cater to third world scum

(or 100% of of political elite)

Senate stimulus bill lacks House's E-Verify provision



our politicians don't work for us...that is the only certainty i have in this world

You're right, there is a system in place, and I'm sure it works in a most instances, but let me explain the hiring situation I used to be in, and why the e-verify didn't work for us.

My family owns a farm and for years 50+ years we grew two things, prunes and olives. Olives are a great crop...minus the fact that they are a nightmare to harvest. They need to be picked by hand, every single ****ing olive, and there's a pretty small window in which you need to do it. So you have to hire a big labor force, all at once, with minimal warning, for a short window of time. The really fun part is EVERYONE else that grows olives (and cherries, and apples, and asparagus), needs the same labor, at roughly the same time.

Every year you'd stick your head into the orchard throughout the summer to see if it was time to harvest, and one day you'd look out and the olives would be the right size, color, and firmness and you'd put out the call, "We need pickers!" The next day you'd have 100 Mexicans signing up to work for you for two weeks. You'd fill out an I-9 form for each one of them, making sure they had the required documentation, get them a safety briefing, hand them a huge ladder, pray they didn't fall off (or pretend to fall off), and get them picking.

In other words, it was a huge pain in the ass. Through a death in the family, the operation of the farm passed from one side of the family to my side in 2009, and I started helping out with the process in around 2010, I think we used e-verify in 2011, it was a giant pain in the ass, and EVERYONE we inputted was verified. By 2012, we looked at the price of labor, which had roughly doubled since 2008, and we looked at the worker's comp. numbers, and we leased what olive orchards we could, and ripped out those we couldn't (and planted almonds).

I remember talking to our ranch manager about e-verify, and in my naivete, I said how good it was that we could ensure that we weren't hiring illegals. He just laughed at me and said that most of the pickers were illegal, they were just using their abuelita's social security number and forged documents. The system didn't pick up this pretty basic fraud, and since they were hired in massive bunches and only worked at a given place for a week or two, they'd just travel up and down the West Coast harvesting crops and no one would catch their deception.

I'm sure it's gotten better since 2011 (just the increased speed of the internet and availability of wifi would have made it a lot easier to use now vs. then), and maybe they've fixed all the cracks that illegals slip through, but it being the federal government, my guess is their system still ****ing sucks, and they just fudge the numbers to look like they're actually doing something.

This post is long enough without discussing the other obvious problem, i.e. that you need people to get the fruit off the trees, and there aren't enough legal workers to do it. But that opens up a whole can of worms that we chose to avoid by only growing crops that need minimal workers.

-SS- 06-19-2016 19:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by cerebral (Post 18592983)
You're right, there is a system in place, and I'm sure it works in a most instances, but let me explain the hiring situation I used to be in, and why the e-verify didn't work for us.

My family owns a farm and for years 50+ years we grew two things, prunes and olives. Olives are a great crop...minus the fact that they are a nightmare to harvest. They need to be picked by hand, every single ****ing olive, and there's a pretty small window in which you need to do it. So you have to hire a big labor force, all at once, with minimal warning, for a short window of time. The really fun part is EVERYONE else that grows olives (and cherries, and apples, and asparagus), needs the same labor, at roughly the same time.

Every year you'd stick your head into the orchard throughout the summer to see if it was time to harvest, and one day you'd look out and the olives would be the right size, color, and firmness and you'd put out the call, "We need pickers!" The next day you'd have 100 Mexicans signing up to work for you for two weeks. You'd fill out an I-9 form for each one of them, making sure they had the required documentation, get them a safety briefing, hand them a huge ladder, pray they didn't fall off (or pretend to fall off), and get them picking.

In other words, it was a huge pain in the ass. Through a death in the family, the operation of the farm passed from one side of the family to my side in 2009, and I started helping out with the process in around 2010, I think we used e-verify in 2011, it was a giant pain in the ass, and EVERYONE we inputted was verified. By 2012, we looked at the price of labor, which had roughly doubled since 2008, and we looked at the worker's comp. numbers, and we leased what olive orchards we could, and ripped out those we couldn't (and planted almonds).

I remember talking to our ranch manager about e-verify, and in my naivete, I said how good it was that we could ensure that we weren't hiring illegals. He just laughed at me and said that most of the pickers were illegal, they were just using their abuelita's social security number and forged documents. The system didn't pick up this pretty basic fraud, and since they were hired in massive bunches and only worked at a given place for a week or two, they'd just travel up and down the West Coast harvesting crops and no one would catch their deception.

I'm sure it's gotten better since 2011 (just the increased speed of the internet and availability of wifi would have made it a lot easier to use now vs. then), and maybe they've fixed all the cracks that illegals slip through, but it being the federal government, my guess is their system still ****ing sucks, and they just fudge the numbers to look like they're actually doing something.

This post is long enough without discussing the other obvious problem, i.e. that you need people to get the fruit off the trees, and there aren't enough legal workers to do it. But that opens up a whole can of worms that we chose to avoid by only growing crops that need minimal workers.

Good post, was worth the read.

I hope your family farm does well. :)

Fool 06-19-2016 19:12

http://i.imgur.com/AcQJrEv.jpg

Captain Tele 06-19-2016 19:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by cerebral (Post 18592983)
You're right, there is a system in place, and I'm sure it works in a most instances, but let me explain the hiring situation I used to be in, and why the e-verify didn't work for us.

My family owns a farm and for years 50+ years we grew two things, prunes and olives. Olives are a great crop...minus the fact that they are a nightmare to harvest. They need to be picked by hand, every single ****ing olive, and there's a pretty small window in which you need to do it. So you have to hire a big labor force, all at once, with minimal warning, for a short window of time. The really fun part is EVERYONE else that grows olives (and cherries, and apples, and asparagus), needs the same labor, at roughly the same time.

Every year you'd stick your head into the orchard throughout the summer to see if it was time to harvest, and one day you'd look out and the olives would be the right size, color, and firmness and you'd put out the call, "We need pickers!" The next day you'd have 100 Mexicans signing up to work for you for two weeks. You'd fill out an I-9 form for each one of them, making sure they had the required documentation, get them a safety briefing, hand them a huge ladder, pray they didn't fall off (or pretend to fall off), and get them picking.

In other words, it was a huge pain in the ass. Through a death in the family, the operation of the farm passed from one side of the family to my side in 2009, and I started helping out with the process in around 2010, I think we used e-verify in 2011, it was a giant pain in the ass, and EVERYONE we inputted was verified. By 2012, we looked at the price of labor, which had roughly doubled since 2008, and we looked at the worker's comp. numbers, and we leased what olive orchards we could, and ripped out those we couldn't (and planted almonds).

I remember talking to our ranch manager about e-verify, and in my naivete, I said how good it was that we could ensure that we weren't hiring illegals. He just laughed at me and said that most of the pickers were illegal, they were just using their abuelita's social security number and forged documents. The system didn't pick up this pretty basic fraud, and since they were hired in massive bunches and only worked at a given place for a week or two, they'd just travel up and down the West Coast harvesting crops and no one would catch their deception.

I'm sure it's gotten better since 2011 (just the increased speed of the internet and availability of wifi would have made it a lot easier to use now vs. then), and maybe they've fixed all the cracks that illegals slip through, but it being the federal government, my guess is their system still ****ing sucks, and they just fudge the numbers to look like they're actually doing something.

This post is long enough without discussing the other obvious problem, i.e. that you need people to get the fruit off the trees, and there aren't enough legal workers to do it. But that opens up a whole can of worms that we chose to avoid by only growing crops that need minimal workers.

great post indeed

from what i can see it only really catches it if multiple people try to use the same abuelita's SSN

we have so many problems that day laborers and temporary farm hands are the least of our issues and concerns

I mean what kind of taxes are we getting out of someone who couldn't possibly make 24k a year with at least ten dependents?

not a lot......in fact negative nothing it appears

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuSGi7LAPp8

so I'm fine with them going off the grid and not even trying to put them back on it. i wouldn't even care about illegal immigration if it weren't for the pandering and benefits bull**** ($$$$) we feel so obliged to dump all over them.

Fool 06-19-2016 19:28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji9avtS_8hc

Odio 06-19-2016 19:32

you guys see the new Putin video? Depending on where you watch it, putin says many different things about trump. CNN has him saying that trump is bright while Yahoo says flamboyant. I didn't bother with anywhere else, because i don't really care that much.

Captain Tele 06-19-2016 19:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Odio (Post 18592997)
you guys see the new Putin video? Depending on where you watch it, putin says many different things about trump. CNN has him saying that trump is bright while Yahoo says flamboyant. I didn't bother with anywhere else, because i don't really care that much.

media doing what media does best

Sanders Supporters Vindicated: Proof DNC Used Media To Rig Election for Hillary

i mean six people who control 90% of everything called media.....100% of what we are allowed to read/hear.......all supporting Hillary

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/defau...17_media_0.jpg

it is a cake walk

SuicideSnowman 06-19-2016 20:28

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Originally Posted by Fool (Post 18592995)

Yeah, the media totally sugar coats Trump and Trump rallies. :ftard:

Odio 06-19-2016 20:37

Oy Vey! This should be your opinion about Trump rallies.

Fool 06-19-2016 20:42


cerebral 06-19-2016 22:14

Thanks for the positive feedback on the effort post. I just got back from a dinner that included some people still involved in worker-heavy crops, and without rehashing the entire conversation we had about e-verify, the subtext I got from it is that they just don't want to know if their workers are legal or not.

Apparently e-verify works well, but it's not mandatory, so on the surface they say, "**** the Federal Government, they're not going to do **** they don't have to." As long as the workers have good enough forged documents that the employers can say that they made a reasonable effort to check, they're ok with that.

They just want their fruit off the trees, and the conversation pretty much starts and ends there.

ZooL 06-19-2016 22:18

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Originally Posted by Fool (Post 18592995)

That FILTHY JEW

Reggs 06-19-2016 22:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by cerebral (Post 18593089)
Thanks for the positive feedback on the effort post. I just got back from a dinner that included some people still involved in worker-heavy crops, and without rehashing the entire conversation we had about e-verify, the subtext I got from it is that they just don't want to know if their workers are legal or not.

Apparently e-verify works well, but it's not mandatory, so on the surface they say, "**** the Federal Government, they're not going to do **** they don't have to." As long as the workers have good enough forged documents that the employers can say that they made a reasonable effort to check, they're ok with that.

They just want their fruit off the trees, and the conversation pretty much starts and ends there.

A wall would not end this either. You could have a wall then expand work visas, and maybe eliminate min wage from migrant workers.

-SS- 06-19-2016 22:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fool (Post 18592995)

This whiny punk ***** is just mad because trump is employing the very same tactics the democrats do. :lol:

cerebral 06-19-2016 22:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reggs (Post 18593098)
A wall would not end this either. You could have a wall then expand work visas, and maybe eliminate min wage from migrant workers.

Minimum wage brings up a whole host of other issues, these workers that I'm talking about are doing what you'd call "piece-work" and they get paid by how much they pick rather than getting an hourly minimum wage. On the surface this sounds bad and can be a liberal talking point, i.e., "These poor migrant workers don't even get paid minimum wage!" But the reality is that you pay them whatever is greater, either minimum wage or by the box/bin/bag, whatever. And they make substantially more getting paid that way...which is good for the farmer because they'd never get done picking your orchard if you paid them by the hour.

The problem arises when you have a **** crop and there isn't much fruit to pick. You have to get the fruit off the trees or else it will rot, and lead to all kinds of problems, but if the workers can't make more than minimum wage, and you have to pay them hourly, they'll tell you to **** yourself and go pick an orchard with more fruit where they can make more money quicker.

This is probably boring for most people, but I found it fascinating, lots of angles I hadn't considered. It definitely makes me glad we don't have to deal with this **** anymore.

Togowack 06-19-2016 22:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuicideSnowman (Post 18593029)
Yeah, the media totally sugar coats Trump and Trump rallies. :ftard:

Hopefully, they don't. The Left needs to be run out of town, and out of the country. If you have payed any attention to protester videos, these hired people take money to punch, spit and abuse ordinary people who over the past 8 years have lost their jobs to China and Mexico while the Left has watched in blissful ignorance.

I am one of these, without Canadian oil output our country can't compete in any area of export.

Before bad mouthing a Trump crusade please explain how the Left hopes to restore the millions of jobs lost in the final 4 months of the Obama presidency, and how they can expect anyone who believes in working for their money, to vote anything but Trump

coombz 06-19-2016 22:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by cerebral (Post 18593106)
This is probably boring for most people, but I found it fascinating, lots of angles I hadn't considered. It definitely makes me glad we don't have to deal with this **** anymore.

it is interesting in showing that there is very rarely a simple, straightforward solution to solving complex problems

i think everyone (other than Trump ;) ) already knew that anyway, but still interesting to hear about!

Reggs 06-19-2016 22:36

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Originally Posted by Fool (Post 18592995)

Jesus, this guy.

He kind of creeps me out. He talks about "normal looking people" at the rally and repeats that over and over. Yet he himself does not look normal. He's well into his 40s and doesn't work out. He colors his hair, which is pathetic, and look at how hard he's trying to dress cool, and have a young hairstyle and glasses.

He get unusually angry at the rally and extremely condescending. I think he's an extrovert who probably is social a lot, but can never get girls to have sex with him. He tries to look "cool" which is pathetic at his age. Also his very strange temper I promise you is the result of sexual frustration. I guarantee you he lives alone, constantly fails at picking up women, and watching more porn than is healthy.

EDIT: Wow, read the comments on this video. It's nothing but liberals just posting over and over that Trump is racist but they never have any substance. These are the type of people who if you interviewed, it would be so cringeworthy.

Togowack 06-19-2016 22:37

if you've worked for enough companies facing complex problems, the solution is often very simple, it involves firing the person in charge

Dangerdoggie 06-19-2016 23:30

https://www.asme.org/getmedia/7a4217..._hero.jpg.aspx

fruit picking is ripe for automation

havax 06-20-2016 00:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vanster (Post 18592797)
Those quotes are from him, except for the humility one. He's said those things, which is funny on it's own; the comic just concatenated the quotes to show how hyperbolic he is. I don't know of any other politician that has said "Nobody does _____ more than me." It's language I'd expect to hear from a 4th grader.

"We have a lot of kids who don't know what work means. They think work is a four-letter word." - Hillary Clinton

Dont let anybody tell you that its corporations and businesses that create jobs. - Hillary Clinton

"We came out of the White House not only dead-broke, but in debt. We had no money when we got there and we struggled to piece together the resources for mortgages, for houses, for Chelsea's education. It was not easy." Hillary Clinton

With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night decided to go kill some Americans? What difference, at this point, does it make? -- Hillary Clinton

My husband may have his faults, but he has never lied to me. -- Hillary Clinton

havax 06-20-2016 00:19

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Originally Posted by coombz (Post 18592907)
you're seriously making me feel like Obibun at this point :)

this concerto of basement dweller tears just makes me all the more convinced of my rightness and natural superiority

i know exactly how you feel

being right all the time is great

Makasuro 06-20-2016 00:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reggs (Post 18593115)
Jesus, this guy.

He kind of creeps me out. He talks about "normal looking people" at the rally and repeats that over and over. Yet he himself does not look normal. He's well into his 40s and doesn't work out. He colors his hair, which is pathetic, and look at how hard he's trying to dress cool, and have a young hairstyle and glasses.

He get unusually angry at the rally and extremely condescending. I think he's an extrovert who probably is social a lot, but can never get girls to have sex with him. He tries to look "cool" which is pathetic at his age. Also his very strange temper I promise you is the result of sexual frustration. I guarantee you he lives alone, constantly fails at picking up women, and watching more porn than is healthy.

EDIT: Wow, read the comments on this video. It's nothing but liberals just posting over and over that Trump is racist but they never have any substance. These are the type of people who if you interviewed, it would be so cringeworthy.


The fact you bleach your skin invalidates anything you say. You also appear to be projecting your own social awkwardness and sexual frustrations here.

StapleMammal1 06-20-2016 00:50

He got you there Reggs. You gonna let em ***** you like that?

Sent from my Galaxy Tab 4 using Tapatalk

Plasmatic 06-20-2016 00:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Togowack (Post 18593111)
please explain how the Left hopes to restore the millions of jobs lost in the final 4 months of the Obama presidency

Assault rifle ban will fuel an ammunition and weapon feeding frenzy.

havax 06-20-2016 00:59

france
chicago
gun free zones

how much more proof do these sjw cucks need to realize that banning guns and gun control doesn't work if you are trying to stop mass shootings?

JoMo 06-20-2016 01:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by havax (Post 18593205)
france
chicago
gun free zones

how much more proof do these sjw cucks need to realize that banning guns and gun control doesn't work if you are trying to stop mass shootings?

If we ban stuff and pretend it doesn't exist then it isn't real.

This is actually the mindset of most liberals. If you imagine it or can dream it, it's reality.

Reggs 06-20-2016 01:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Makasuro (Post 18593191)
The fact you bleach your skin invalidates anything you say. You also appear to be projecting your own social awkwardness and sexual frustrations here.

Look, a brown man zeros in on someone having white skin. This is like when people would make fun of Trump for only dating supermodels.

JoMo 06-20-2016 01:40

Even the teachers are violent criminals in Mexico, folks........

Officials say 6 people killed, 53 civilians, 41 federal police agents and 14 state police agents injured in clashes between police, teachers in Oaxaca, Mexico - AP

Dangerdoggie 06-20-2016 03:36

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAm_VWk6_GY

The next president will likely face a recession - Jun. 19, 2016

JoMo 06-20-2016 10:16

Corey's out!

Donald Trump Parts Ways With Corey Lewandowski, His Campaign Manager

ArakAtak 06-20-2016 10:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by StapleMammal1 (Post 18593198)
He got you there Reggs. You gonna let em ***** you like that?

Sent from my Galaxy Tab 4 using Tapatalk

Reggs could take him easy - he is trained in hand to hand combat
Chewbacca

MasterGnr 06-20-2016 10:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoMo (Post 18593287)

I think this is a good move.

Veniggs 06-20-2016 10:58

lewandowski gets to join the ranks of rohm

things r gonna get real interesting over the next 4 yrs

burtrennalds 06-20-2016 11:37

http://i.imgur.com/dV1Q2cx.jpg

samUwell 06-20-2016 11:39

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Originally Posted by Stig (Post 18592649)
I am a libertarian.

Awesome.

another one joins the ranks. Welcome!

I dont know if you enjoy to read or not but this is a must read for all Libertarians - For a New Liberty: The Libertarian Manifesto, Murray N. Rothbard. you can find it for free on Mises in digital print and for your audible.


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