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Kerosene31 03-22-2016 11:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoMo (Post 18544507)
It isn't just Mexicans that are problematic, there's a lot of countries south of Mexico as well. If you look at the FBI's most wanted (categories) you'll find that most of them have ties to Mexico.
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/murders

The issue is that Mexico can't or won't properly enforce border security due to the cartels.

Let me know how many countries border Canada.......

http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~cas7/ladder.jpg

Pagy 03-22-2016 11:41

im not trying to say that keeping mexicans out is good, just that if you play the terrorist card i would question the validity given the canadian boarder

Kerosene31 03-22-2016 12:17

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Originally Posted by Pagy (Post 18544513)
im not trying to say that keeping mexicans out is good, just that if you play the terrorist card i would question the validity given the canadian boarder

Right it is a bull**** argument and people know it. You can get into the US with a visa and just overstay. You don't need to swim over the Rio Grande.

And yeah, people probably don't know that massive stretches of the Canadian border are completely open.

It is just a dumb argument by people who really don't understand facts, or at least want to hide their racism behind something else.

JoMo 03-22-2016 12:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pagy (Post 18544513)
im not trying to say that keeping mexicans out is good, just that if you play the terrorist card i would question the validity given the canadian boarder

The problem individuals aren't coming from Canada though. The drugs aren't coming from Canada. They are coming from the cartels on the southern border.

Pagy 03-22-2016 12:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerosene31 (Post 18544532)
Right it is a bull**** argument and people know it. You can get into the US with a visa and just overstay. You don't need to swim over the Rio Grande.

And yeah, people probably don't know that massive stretches of the Canadian border are completely open.

It is just a dumb argument by people who really don't understand facts, or at least want to hide their racism behind something else.

not that i *dont think border policy importance is inflated for elections, but its hard for us to understand when we dont live there.

Kerosene31 03-22-2016 12:22

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Originally Posted by Pagy (Post 18544535)
not that i think border policy importance is inflated for elections, but its hard for us to understand when we dont live there.

Drug cartels bribe and murder to sell drugs. I think they'll find a way over, under or around a concrete wall. Hell, they'll probably just bribe or extort someone near a door.

Gandalf 03-22-2016 12:25

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Originally Posted by JoMo (Post 18544534)
The problem individuals aren't coming from Canada though. The drugs aren't coming from Canada. They are coming from the cartels on the southern border.

Never heard of BC Bud?

Mexican Weed is ****.

The best pot is grown up here in the Pacific NW.

Meth is also a booming business.

JoMo 03-22-2016 12:30

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Originally Posted by Gandalf (Post 18544541)
Never heard of BC Bud?

Mexican Weed is ****.

The best pot is grown up here in the Pacific NW.

Meth is also a booming business.

That's weed. Several states have legalized weed. I'm talking about heroin, which New Hampshire has a big problem with... and it's not coming from Canada.

JoMo 03-22-2016 12:39

Prophet Trump:

JAN. 27, 2016

Donald Trump Finds New City to Insult: Brussels

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/28/wo...=tw-share&_r=1


***8220;There is something going on, Maria,***8221; he said. ***8220;Go to Brussels. Go to Paris. Go to different places. There is something going on and it***8217;s not good, where they want Shariah law, where they want this, where they want things that ***8212; you know, there has to be some assimilation. There is no assimilation. There is something bad going on.***8221;

***8220;You go to Brussels ***8212; I was in Brussels a long time ago, 20 years ago, so beautiful, everything is so beautiful ***8212; it***8217;s like living in a hellhole right now,***8221;

Kerosene31 03-22-2016 12:42

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Originally Posted by JoMo (Post 18544546)
That's weed. Several states have legalized weed. I'm talking about heroin, which New Hampshire has a big problem with... and it's not coming from Canada.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ront/?page=all

http://www.insightcrime.org/news-ana...ng-mexico-ties

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canadia...sled-1.2737799

JoMo 03-22-2016 12:50

"By comparison (with Mexico), the scale of drug violence and trafficking in Canada is minuscule."

Still appears the southern border is the biggest problem. Second article mentions the ties between Mexican drug cartels and Canadians. So the major problem still remains the southern border.

MadHatSam 03-22-2016 12:51

The major problem is the drug war itself.

Kerosene31 03-22-2016 12:53

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Originally Posted by JoMo (Post 18544555)
"By comparison (with Mexico), the scale of drug violence and trafficking in Canada is minuscule."

Still appears the southern border is the biggest problem. Second article mentions the ties between Mexican drug cartels and Canadians. So the major problem still remains the southern border.

Of course it is, but I'll guess $20 billion dollars could be used much more effectively.

Building a wall is the stupid kind of thing an 8 year old would think up.

JoMo 03-22-2016 13:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerosene31 (Post 18544558)
Of course it is, but I'll guess $20 billion dollars could be used much more effectively.

Building a wall is the stupid kind of thing an 8 year old would think up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerosene31 (Post 18544497)
Hungary had tons of migrants literally wandering in. A wall makes sense. The wall isn't perfect but it doesn't have to be, they'll go to another country without a wall.

Well, which is it?

MC Hamster 03-22-2016 13:06

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Originally Posted by MasterGnr (Post 18544488)
I don't want a leader that the other countries like. I want one who is capable and experienced, and by God proud to be an American. You guys are happy to see an apologizer in chief running the US cause it makes you feel better

That's well and good, but that's not the sentiment I was responding to. The claim was made that Obama was an embarrassment on the world stage. That's simply not true.


However, on the subject... That question wasn't a matter of "like", it was about having confidence in them. That leader is the person that represents your country to the world. Like it or not, and be it fair or not, that's something that you really should be concerned about - because the way that the USA is perceived by the rest of the world does have a significant impact on you domestically. Trade and security (both in terms of people wanting to actually attack you and how willing potential allies are to join you in your efforts abroad and hence the strain on your own military) are two areas that immediately leap to mind.

I'm not suggesting it be your primary concern when you go out to vote, but it's really not something you should dismiss out of hand. Like it or not, there really is a 'rest of the world' out there, and it really does impact on your life.

Kerosene31 03-22-2016 13:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoMo (Post 18544564)
Well, which is it?

A $20 billion dollar wall is stupid.

There is a difference. If one or two European countries puts up a fence and their neighbors do not, it keeps people out because why bother with the fence?

However when crossing the fence/wall is the only option, you cross the wall.

Also I know it is hard to understand, but:

Mexicans =/= Islamic extremists

One wants to cut our lawns, the other wants to cut our heads off.

havax 03-22-2016 13:17

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Originally Posted by LouCypher (Post 18544322)
It costs almost $400 million/year to run.

it costs 3.6 billion dollars a year to keep prisons running in new york alone. what's your point?

MadHatSam 03-22-2016 13:19

780 people in gitmo, 76000 in the NY prison system. What was your point?

naptown 03-22-2016 13:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerosene31 (Post 18544567)
A $20 billion dollar wall is stupid.



Mexicans =/= Islamic extremists

One wants to cut our lawns, the other wants to cut our heads off.

http://shoebat.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/10c.jpg

take note

thats not arabic

#JustWantToCutOurLawns

havax 03-22-2016 13:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadHatSam (Post 18544573)
780 people in gitmo, 76000 in the NY prison system. What was your point?

point is, you think it's going to cost any less to build a military prison here in the united states to keep these high profile terrorists in?

doubtful


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