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starwolf_nexus 04-18-2016 10:31

Removing free trade will not decrease the price of shoes. Removing free trade WILL bring some of the jobs (general labor) or some high skilled jobs (robotics,engineering,etc ...) to manufacture those shoes back to the US, because the companies can then COMPETE here in the US against those other nations.

Lets put it this way.
Before NAFTA
shoe costs 4.00 US on the shelf
shoe costs 3.00 to produce in the US
shoe costs 1.00 to produce in mexico
Getting shoe into the US cost the Mexico shoe company 2.00

Companies didn't have an incentive to use slave labor elsewhere to make more profit over US companies.


After NAFTA
shoe costs 4.00 US
shoe costs 3.00 to produce in the US
shoe costs 1.00 to produce in mexico
Getting shoe into the US cost the Mexico shoe company 0.00

Company has an incentive to move to Mexico because they can save 2.00 of production costs that they'd have paid in retrospect in tariffs.

NO-WHERE in "free trade" does the price ever decrease for the US consumer.

StapleMammal1 04-18-2016 10:41

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l13MB_ztbM

Veniggs 04-18-2016 11:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ender (Post 18557893)
Except free trade will mean lower prices for consumers idiot. Who do you think pays the tarrifs?

I'm ok with shoemakers losing their job in America. Learn to read and get an education instead of making shoes. Otherwise move to a third world country

posted by a little thieving herpes riddled ****

havax 04-18-2016 11:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by StapleMammal1 (Post 18557985)

jfc we are doomed

Eggi 04-18-2016 11:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by starwolf_nexus (Post 18557983)
Removing free trade will not decrease the price of shoes. Removing free trade WILL bring some of the jobs (general labor) or some high skilled jobs (robotics,engineering,etc ...) to manufacture those shoes back to the US, because the companies can then COMPETE here in the US against those other nations.

Lets put it this way.
Before NAFTA
shoe costs 4.00 US on the shelf
shoe costs 3.00 to produce in the US
shoe costs 1.00 to produce in mexico
Getting shoe into the US cost the Mexico shoe company 2.00

Companies didn't have an incentive to use slave labor elsewhere to make more profit over US companies.


After NAFTA
shoe costs 4.00 US
shoe costs 3.00 to produce in the US
shoe costs 1.00 to produce in mexico
Getting shoe into the US cost the Mexico shoe company 0.00

Company has an incentive to move to Mexico because they can save 2.00 of production costs that they'd have paid in retrospect in tariffs.

NO-WHERE in "free trade" does the price ever decrease for the US consumer.

If you really think that a product will cost the same if you remove free trade, u need to go take economics 101.

free trade gives us more purchasing power for our $s (eg goods are cheaper) at the expense of competing for certain jobs globally (eg low skill mfg jobs).

Fool 04-18-2016 11:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by StapleMammal1 (Post 18557985)

Doesn't want to live in a patriarchy, wants Bernie for President.

Kerosene31 04-18-2016 12:01

Yeah, morons like that don't represent the left any more than the bible thumpers who think dinosaur fossils are "made up" represent the right.

Zanthious 04-18-2016 12:03

they find the most idiotic of both sides and show that as a representation. Neither side is averaged out to be that stupid..

This shouldn't even have to be explained really..

Kerosene31 04-18-2016 12:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zanthious (Post 18558007)
they find the most idiotic of both sides and show that as a representation. Neither side is averaged out to be that stupid..

This shouldn't even have to be explained really..

It does need to be explained unfortunately. People don't seem to understand that the kind of idiots who end up on youtube at a Trump rally aren't exactly either side's best and brightest.

People more and more are confusing Democrats with the whole sjw, don't keep score in little league because someone will get upset. That's a whole younger generation thing that obviously also just happens to align on one side.

Zanthious 04-18-2016 12:12

yeh i know. Its getting really really bad. Everyone is just putting everyone else in a huge vague stereotype. I Mean i like doing this on TW to **** with people but its reality now.

StapleMammal1 04-18-2016 12:20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N04futpI7pc

Kerosene31 04-18-2016 12:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zanthious (Post 18558010)
yeh i know. Its getting really really bad. Everyone is just putting everyone else in a huge vague stereotype. I Mean i like doing this on TW to **** with people but its reality now.

That's what's scary. TW used to be edgy. Now we're pretty mellow compared to the politics of the rest of the world.

Eggi 04-18-2016 12:30

http://www.npr.org/2016/04/18/474393...ntent=20160418

StapleMammal1 04-18-2016 12:41

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leE43oKMJNI

Rooster128 04-18-2016 12:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zanthious (Post 18558010)
yeh i know. Its getting really really bad. Everyone is just putting everyone else in a huge vague stereotype. I Mean i like doing this on TW to **** with people but its reality now.

thats why sometimes i really have to ask, wtf does each side really stand for. it's bizarre.

Quote:

Originally Posted by StapleMammal1 (Post 18557985)

would have watched if infowars logo wasnt in the corner. that alex jones guy he cray cray

LouCypher 04-18-2016 13:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zanthious (Post 18558010)
Everyone is just putting everyone else in a huge vague stereotype.

When it comes to Trump supporters or BLM protestors, I'm okay with that. There aren't enough deviants in either group to argue against stereotyping them.

-SS- 04-18-2016 13:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArakAtak (Post 18557968)
The herp ridden Ender was saying that the free trade agreement, which removes tariffs, will result in cheaper shoes. I don't see why that is a stupid statement at all. Clearly someone here doesn't comprehend

moran

Poor articulation isnt my problem. moran

Ender 04-18-2016 13:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by starwolf_nexus (Post 18557983)
Removing free trade will not decrease the price of shoes. Removing free trade WILL bring some of the jobs (general labor) or some high skilled jobs (robotics,engineering,etc ...) to manufacture those shoes back to the US, because the companies can then COMPETE here in the US against those other nations.

Lets put it this way.
Before NAFTA
shoe costs 4.00 US on the shelf
shoe costs 3.00 to produce in the US
shoe costs 1.00 to produce in mexico
Getting shoe into the US cost the Mexico shoe company 2.00

Companies didn't have an incentive to use slave labor elsewhere to make more profit over US companies.


After NAFTA
shoe costs 4.00 US
shoe costs 3.00 to produce in the US
shoe costs 1.00 to produce in mexico
Getting shoe into the US cost the Mexico shoe company 0.00

Company has an incentive to move to Mexico because they can save 2.00 of production costs that they'd have paid in retrospect in tariffs.

NO-WHERE in "free trade" does the price ever decrease for the US consumer.

You're making a false assumption that competition doesn't exist.

That $2.00 saved allows a company to pass those savings onto the consumer thereby forcing companies to compete to drive down prices or go out of business.

Sure, if we lived in a world where there was only one company (a monopoly) we wouldn't see prices decrease, this is why we have regulations to review M&As.

-SS- 04-18-2016 13:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerosene31 (Post 18558008)
It does need to be explained unfortunately. People don't seem to understand that the kind of idiots who end up on youtube at a Trump rally aren't exactly either side's best and brightest.

People more and more are confusing Democrats with the whole sjw, don't keep score in little league because someone will get upset. That's a whole younger generation thing that obviously also just happens to align on one side.

:lol: 'just so happens' haha that's funny and such a crock of ****

Wtf are you talking about? Since 2006, the left has decidedly tilted far, far left and the democrats of old (think JFK: "ask not what your country can do for you...") would be considered republicans today.

Every whiny punk group (fems, sjws, white guilt apologists, hippies, 'democratic' socialists, commies, gays, climate change zealots, and other assorted dregs of humanity) are all on the left for a reason. The common theme is 'for the people', long the mantra of the democrats and a convenient theme to be exploited. democrats have been taken over by 'progressive' scum and you turn a blind eye to it.

Gandalf 04-18-2016 14:00

Air Jordans are manufactured in China and cost **** $16 dollars a pair. They sell for $100s of dollars. Shoes are a really bad example of free trade, tariffs, and capitalism.


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