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Pagy 03-22-2016 00:55

ty for ur insight, guy who sells hipster clothes for min wage

Flash 03-22-2016 00:57

Peace fellas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHJu_nCaNAw

MC Hamster 03-22-2016 04:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greedo909 (Post 18544177)
Trump isn't really doing anything to crush the GOP, the GOP is intentionally tanking itself by refusing to support Trumps' nomination while blatantly disenfranchising the plurality, if not majority, of its own supporters. Winning the actual election is less meaningful than maintaining status quo establishment control over the two parties at this point--it is really just one party that creates fake opposition between two factions to keep people distracted from the fact that the entire political system is controlled by special interests and not democratic representation.

So a party should just endorse anyone who's popular enough to win them the election and wants to be considered their representative? Even if he doesn't actually represent their values?

Honestly, not picking that guy is actually showing a bit of backbone, standing up for the principles of the party even at its own expense. That's actually kinda admirable. That's saying "We know this guy is popular, and we know we could win with him.. but doing so would be sacrificing what we stand for, and we'd rather take the risk on losing the election than doing that."

As much as I despise party politics, I find it vaguely noble that those 'in the biz' can actually show some principle when it comes down to it.

MC Hamster 03-22-2016 04:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingSobieski (Post 18544317)
Obama is an embarassment on the world stage.

As someone who is part of that world stage: No. Bush was an embarassment for you guys. Trump is an embarassment for you guys. Obama is actually someone most of us out here kinda like.

Don't just take my word for it though, here's a Pew Research page asking the question all over:

http://www.pewglobal.org/database/in...r/6/survey/17/

Compare the Obama years to the Bush years. It's day and night.

Osiris 03-22-2016 05:10

Honestly, a damp cloth wouldve done better than Bush.

Kerosene31 03-22-2016 06:49

So, Trump supporters - John Oliver says Trump's wall will cost > $20 billion and more to maintain. Trump himself admits it could cost $10-12 billion. Let's forget Oliver's numbers as he's biased against it. Does a wall make sense financially?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU8dCYocuyI

absent 03-22-2016 06:52

Yes.

samUwell 03-22-2016 08:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by absent (Post 18544453)
Yes.


Thingfish 03-22-2016 08:43

It would certainly get even more corporations sucking on the government teat.

Kerosene31 03-22-2016 08:50

That's just it, people rail against Bernie's free college (which I actually 100% agree is a waste of money), yet building a super expensive wall that would do little is ok?

Wasting money is still wasting money. Anyone who works with gov't contracts knows to take the highest estimate and double if not triple it.

NoGodForMe 03-22-2016 09:06

Yes. They can put advertising on the wall to pay for it. Make it a tourist attraction like the great wall of China.

Pagy 03-22-2016 09:11

goddamn mongorians

Reggs 03-22-2016 09:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerosene31 (Post 18544451)
So, Trump supporters - John Oliver says Trump's wall will cost > $20 billion and more to maintain. Trump himself admits it could cost $10-12 billion. Let's forget Oliver's numbers as he's biased against it. Does a wall make sense financially?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU8dCYocuyI

The video is stupid.

$2B just to build roads to get trucks to where the wall will be built? No one believes that.

Walls keep people out. Ask Israel. Illegal immigration amplifies economic troubles of the US. When the market went south in 2008 illegal immigration flourished and ate away at American jobs. Having a wall would protect against that for a long time to come.

Economic issues aside, it's very important for national security. Any would be terrorist could go to Mexico with cash and come across that way.

I could go on I guess, but the question itself is stupid. We are a sovereign nation and we have a boarder, and undocumented non-citizens are pouring across it. How on earth could building a wall be controversial?

How does it reach the point where some UK dimwit who preached about letting syrian refugees into Europe (before that whole mass murder and **** stuff, oops) capture the attention of an American such as yourself? His video had credibility with you?

Pagy 03-22-2016 09:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reggs (Post 18544483)
Any would be terrorist could go to Mexico with cash and come across that way.

but canada?

MasterGnr 03-22-2016 09:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by MC Hamster (Post 18544435)
As someone who is part of that world stage: No. Bush was an embarassment for you guys. Trump is an embarassment for you guys. Obama is actually someone most of us out here kinda like.

Don't just take my word for it though, here's a Pew Research page asking the question all over:

http://www.pewglobal.org/database/in...r/6/survey/17/

Compare the Obama years to the Bush years. It's day and night.

I don't want a leader that the other countries like. I want one who is capable and experienced, and by God proud to be an American. You guys are happy to see an apologizer in chief running the US cause it makes you feel better

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Kerosene31 03-22-2016 09:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pagy (Post 18544487)
but canada?

You obviously don't understand geography. A multi-billion dollar wall in Texas will do a great job keeping ISIS out of Europe!

JoMo 03-22-2016 10:12

Hungary's border fence worked really well. Israel's wall works well.

Kerosene31 03-22-2016 10:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoMo (Post 18544495)
Hungary's border fence worked really well. Israel's wall works well.

The Atlantic ocean works really well too! :)

Seriously, do people not understand geography and the difference between Mexicans and Middle East people?

Hungary had tons of migrants literally wandering in. A wall makes sense. The wall isn't perfect but it doesn't have to be, they'll go to another country without a wall.

RandalltheVandal 03-22-2016 10:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by MC Hamster (Post 18544434)
So a party should just endorse anyone who's popular enough to win them the election and wants to be considered their representative? Even if he doesn't actually represent their values?

Honestly, not picking that guy is actually showing a bit of backbone, standing up for the principles of the party even at its own expense. That's actually kinda admirable. That's saying "We know this guy is popular, and we know we could win with him.. but doing so would be sacrificing what we stand for, and we'd rather take the risk on losing the election than doing that."

As much as I despise party politics, I find it vaguely noble that those 'in the biz' can actually show some principle when it comes down to it.

hey cool, another foreigner who is pretty clueless about the current state of american politics, keep going please

JoMo 03-22-2016 10:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerosene31 (Post 18544497)
The Atlantic ocean works really well too! :)

Seriously, do people not understand geography and the difference between Mexicans and Middle East people?

Hungary had tons of migrants literally wandering in. A wall makes sense. The wall isn't perfect but it doesn't have to be, they'll go to another country without a wall.

It isn't just Mexicans that are problematic, there's a lot of countries south of Mexico as well. If you look at the FBI's most wanted (categories) you'll find that most of them have ties to Mexico.
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/murders

The issue is that Mexico can't or won't properly enforce border security due to the cartels.

Let me know how many countries border Canada.......


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