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cheezit 02-01-2008 01:28

cheezit plays poker
 
got a pretty nice stake at the end of december and bought in on full tilt. ever time i get into poker i end up cashing out around the 1k BR mark for various reasons. i'm vowing not to cash out my bankroll or quit this time and i'm using this thread to update my progress and rant/brag. I'm hooked up with rakeback and their 100% match bonus(most of which is going towards paying off the stake) my longshot goal is to have a 10k br by the end of the year.

january 25nl results
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j.../january08.jpg

also won a $10 10 table KO sng and made a few FTs in some small buyin tournies. subract some tourney buyins and I'm up around $600 so far, but i still have to pay off my stake.

creative 02-01-2008 12:00

work it harder

cheezit 03-02-2008 00:36

I had a very swingy february. made 2 FTs in two straight $3 MTTs with some dissappointing results. cleared a good portion of bonus money. played about 21,000 hands of 25 NL and took a few shots at 50nl(dropping 3 BIs in the process). not counting bonus i came out down a bit for February but rakeback will put me back into positive territory for the month.

i got really frustrated and wore myself out playing 20k hands in about 2 weeks that i forced myself to take a few days off. a few days turned into the final 2 weeks of the month after a few RL things came up that ate into my playing time and i had other things occupying my time and taking my mind off poker. I've been getting an itch to play again tho.

I'm considering a switch to 6 handed as that seems to be what most people on here play.

i'll post some stats and graphs tomorrow. i'm tired now and don't feel like doing it tonight.

OriGiNaL 03-07-2008 16:13

I made the move from 25nl to 50nl and to be honest its almost the same damn thing. There is possibly a tiny bit more raising PF and floating on the flop, but I'm talking 5-10% more. My win rate over the first month of 50nl has been virtually the same as my last 50,000 hands at 25nl (actually a big higher, but I was running hot for a week).

Start reading 2+2 Micro forums if you are having trouble and you are serious about improving.

edit: I'm hoping to start playing 100nl in April, so we will see how it goes. Shouldn't be a huge problem unless I have a massive downswing.

cheezit 03-08-2008 18:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by OriGiNaL (Post 12887991)
I made the move from 25nl to 50nl and to be honest its almost the same damn thing. There is possibly a tiny bit more raising PF and floating on the flop, but I'm talking 5-10% more. My win rate over the first month of 50nl has been virtually the same as my last 50,000 hands at 25nl (actually a big higher, but I was running hot for a week).

Start reading 2+2 Micro forums if you are having trouble and you are serious about improving.

edit: I'm hoping to start playing 100nl in April, so we will see how it goes. Shouldn't be a huge problem unless I have a massive downswing.

do you play 6 handed for full ring?

I just noticed that FTP added t$. this is fantastic, as satellites and selling t$ has been a decent bankroll builder for me on stars in the past.

OriGiNaL 03-10-2008 12:38

I play 6max. The majority of information on 2+2 surrounds 6max play and I am also a member of Card Runners, which focuses a lot on 6max. Although CR is really starting to extend their FR section, I have no interest in FR at this time.

cheezit 03-11-2008 14:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by OriGiNaL (Post 12898169)
I play 6max. The majority of information on 2+2 surrounds 6max play and I am also a member of Card Runners, which focuses a lot on 6max. Although CR is really starting to extend their FR section, I have no interest in FR at this time.

i've heard a lot of people suggest card runners. just not sure if i could justify $25/month + $100 signup fee for it, especially the way I play poker so sporadically(some weeks i'll play 10k hands, others i'll play 1k, some 0).

OriGiNaL 03-11-2008 14:46

Don't bother with CR unless you have time to put into Poker. For me the $25 is half a buyin and I'm about to start taking shots at 100nl, so then its only 1/4 buyin.

The time it takes to study CR vids and learn from them plus actually play poker is time consuming. If you are essentially a weekend warrior I would just stick to 2+2.

If you are clearing 15,000+ hands a month, CR might start to be reasonable.

cheezit 04-28-2008 04:25

semi-update.

Life got in the way and killed my poker time over the last few months. internship + job + trying to keep some semblence of a social life meant my poker time was minimal since my last update.

In the little time i have played, i had 2 nasty downswings and a little upswing to finish off my bonus on FTP. I think I've finally settled on 6max after about 45k hands of full ring, though it wasn't a real smooth transition, i'm feeling more comfortable with it than I was at FR. I paid off my stake, which has left me with ~$900 for my bankroll.

Now after a few months playing poker as more of a hobby, i'm really starting to get that itch to play more. I've just finished my internship, I graduate in a week, and I have a job lined up that starts in August, leaving me 3 months off. and now that I'm finished paying off my stake I find myself wanting to play more.

cheezit 05-09-2008 13:15

update, with pictures!

I think i've worked out the kinks at 25nl. probably gonna move to 50nl shortly, where i've taken some ill timed shots and dropped a few BI. still sort of swingy, though I'm starting to get better at table selection and leaving tables when they get too nitty.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...May925nlPT.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...May925nlPG.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...925nlpkrEV.jpg


like i said, i made some pretty big changes to my game around the middle of last month. made adjustments to just about everything from bet sizing and hand selection to overall aggression. started putting a lot more emphasis on playing in position. started posting/lurking 2p2 a lot. to illustrate some of the changes:

PT stats before i started making changes.
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...before4-15.jpg

PT stats since changes.
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...Tsince4-15.jpg

i tightened up(especially in early/mid position), got more aggressive post flop and generally less spewy all around.

also had a few nice tourney/sng cashes. OPR stats:
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...rs/May9OPR.jpg

the few hits I've taken to my bankroll have largely come from ill-timed shots at 50nl as i said before(some when tilting, some before i knew wtf i was doing) and a few hundred hands of $50 plo8 i got encouraged to try by a friend who built his bankroll on the game.

bankroll currently sits at about $1,450, with $90 in rakeback from last month that should be due any day and ~$125 in rakeback earned for this month already.

any thoughts/advice/offers to sweat me for a few hundred hands welcome.

pathogen 05-11-2008 17:48

been playing 3/6 limit built my bankroll up enough to move to 5/10 limit but will definately be staying at 3/6 too juicy to leave.

Also acquiring quite a bit of FPPs

cheezit 05-12-2008 02:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by pathogen (Post 13181439)
been playing 3/6 limit built my bankroll up enough to move to 5/10 limit but will definately be staying at 3/6 too juicy to leave.

Also acquiring quite a bit of FPPs

I hear that pokerstars has the best "effective rakeback" if you can manage to reach supernova elite. you think you can hit supernova or sne at that limit?

Yoda 05-12-2008 15:03

cheezit, have you already moved up to 50NL 6-max or are you still playing 25NL 6-max?

I had been 15 tabling 50NL Full ring for the last 3-4 months. Last 2 weeks, took a huge hit to my bankroll (16 BI below EV :() and so I decided it was time to do what I was supposed to do a long time ago and move to 6-max. I've been datamining the heck out of 25NL 6-max (40-43k hands a day) and have started to learn how to play short handed.

Way over bankrolled for 25NL since I've been grinding 50NL for a while, but I still have a lot of holes in my game that I'm working out.


ps. Just looked you up on PT, only have 5 hands on you ;)

cheezit 05-12-2008 22:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 13185533)
cheezit, have you already moved up to 50NL 6-max or are you still playing 25NL 6-max?

I had been 15 tabling 50NL Full ring for the last 3-4 months. Last 2 weeks, took a huge hit to my bankroll (16 BI below EV :() and so I decided it was time to do what I was supposed to do a long time ago and move to 6-max. I've been datamining the heck out of 25NL 6-max (40-43k hands a day) and have started to learn how to play short handed.

Way over bankrolled for 25NL since I've been grinding 50NL for a while, but I still have a lot of holes in my game that I'm working out.


ps. Just looked you up on PT, only have 5 hands on you ;)

moved up a few days ago. things aren't going well.

i sent you a pm.

pathogen 05-13-2008 05:56

I'm on track to make supernova by the end of the summer. I don't want to play enough to make supernova elite although the bonus incentives for elite are absolutely insane. I used to play with rakeback at UB but rakeback sucks. I like having to work off a bonus while aquiring additional points and then buying another bonus. I like to have some what of a life though and will definately be sticking just supernova if all goes well. Plus lately I've been really up and down.

Today for 2 hours and 800 hands I had a swing of down 6 buyins and went up by 8 buyins. I'm either stone ****ing cold or on FIRE and there is no in between. 3/6 is where I will stay for now its just too easy to make a few hundred bucks in 20 minutes.

The feeling is quite strange too. Once I go up I'm like wtf that was fast now what? I want more points not more money lol.

Anyway check your accounts if you withdrew from pokerstars by e-checks. Due to the delay in payment processing they are giving a 20% don't be mad at how ridiculously long your cashout is taking bonus. +$500 for free :)

Yoda 05-13-2008 10:56

Hrm, bunch of friends are saying that they are having massive delays on e-checks out of full tilt. They are pretty pissed about it even though they are getting ~500 in compensation because they are "life busto".

cheezit 05-13-2008 11:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 13189351)
Hrm, bunch of friends are saying that they are having massive delays on e-checks out of full tilt. They are pretty pissed about it even though they are getting ~500 in compensation because they are "life busto".


yeah FTP cashouts have been problematic since epassporte went down.

creative 05-14-2008 13:57

pathogen,

you play 3/6 on stars? whats your sn? lets play some hu or something sometime

pathogen 05-14-2008 18:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by creative (Post 13194713)
pathogen,

you play 3/6 on stars? whats your sn? lets play some hu or something sometime

3/6 limit. I thought you played 3/6 NL

Ekos 05-15-2008 19:07

cheezit -- im always on AIM (ekos loves you); pm me some time and ill work with u on getting ur winrate up.

cheezit 05-22-2008 02:35

not really an update. but just wondering what other people think about about this guy on 2+2 trying to make $10k in a month at 25nl. he offered 5:2 odds and got ~40k in action.

***Official $10000 in a month at NL 25 Challenge Update Thread*** - Two Plus Two Poker Forum

the bet officially starts tomorrow. personally i think he's nuts, but i'm sure it can be done if he runs well. it kind of puts my 10k by the end of the year goal to shame, though I'm not gonna be 18 tabling 13 hours a day any time soon.

he's got a webcam up too

wcgrider - Stickam

I almost wanna datamine stars for the month while he attempts this. though he's doing full ring.

d0ggy 05-22-2008 02:51

hes playing 24 tables right now..what a liar.

cheezit 05-22-2008 02:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by d0ggy (Post 13230138)
hes playing 24 tables right now..what a liar.

i couldn't see myself playing that many tables. I 8-table right now, i could maybe see going to 12.

cheezit 06-05-2008 15:25

update

i'll start with the bad. immediately following my last update, where my br was around 1,450, i went on a $500 downswing(mostly taking shots at 50nl, then tilting some away at 25nl). at one point i was just under $900 in my bankroll and seriously considering just cashing out.

the good, i made it all back(mostly) over the course of the month playing 25nl and cashing in some tournies. my bankroll currently sits at $1,435, and i've got $422 of rakeback coming to me from May. i started 8 tabling 25nl and just generally put in a lot more hands, my winrate is up, but not quite where I want it to be (5ptbb/100).

unfortunately i feel like a bot playing 8 tables and I don't really think its helping my poker game. so recently i dropped back down to 4 tables and felt bored doing it at 25nl, so I'm taking shots at 50nl again. in about 4k hands i'm up ~$70, which isn't great but I feel pretty comfortable with the limit.

i also hit ironman last month on FTP, which isn't worth much but they're doing a midyear bonus for ironman and i'm eligible for at least $175 in bonus if I play a reasonably small amount in June, which i intend to.

stats (note that 2/3 of the hands played at 50nl were during that $500 tiltoff/downswing just after last update)

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...rs/June9PT.jpg

lukie 06-07-2008 05:05

nice job cheezit. this is tough to play these stakes. If you ever want to talk about hand strat and get another idea on it, hit me up. I may not be a pro, but glad to provide another angle on things. gl man.

cheezit 06-10-2008 18:34

ugh, i don't know what it is with 50nl. i can't seem to get my money in good and am always getting played back at with my marginal hands. i dropped another 4 buyins :(.

i dropped back down to 25nl to recoup the losses, made back about half of it. it just seems like EZ mode compared to 50nl.

maybe i'll skip 50nl and start taking shots at 100nl.

pathogen 06-11-2008 05:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheezit (Post 13310596)
ugh, i don't know what it is with 50nl. i can't seem to get my money in good and am always getting played back at with my marginal hands. i dropped another 4 buyins :(.

i dropped back down to 25nl to recoup the losses, made back about half of it. it just seems like EZ mode compared to 50nl.

maybe i'll skip 50nl and start taking shots at 100nl.

you will lose your entire bankroll if you do this

stop playing scared and be patient


http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/4749/ohhaiqd7.jpg

This doesn't take into account my FPP bonuses and tourney wins.

cheezit 06-12-2008 04:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by pathogen (Post 13312771)
you will lose your entire bankroll if you do this

stop playing scared and be patient


i really don't feel like i'm playing scared. i don't really intend to skip 50nl, but I figured I'd start taking shots at it when i hit ~25 buyins for it, well right now i've got about 35 but every shot i've taken has ended with me dropping a few buyins. i don't feel like the game is different, but the little setbacks i get every time i take a shot are trying my patience.

also i finally figured out the best way to play 87s:

Full Tilt Poker Game #6792832320: Table Faldo (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:05:29 ET - 2008/06/12
Seat 1: Cacino70 ($8.40)
Seat 2: Merlin77771 ($10)
Seat 3: soccerfeva ($35.35)
Seat 4: BMeisterO ($28.90)
Seat 5: arppaboy ($24.05)
Seat 6: cyclenut ($36.85)
Cacino70 posts the small blind of $0.10
Merlin77771 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BMeisterO [8h 7h]
soccerfeva folds
BMeisterO raises to $1
arppaboy calls $1
cyclenut folds
Cacino70 folds
Merlin77771 calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [5h 6h 4h]
Merlin77771 has 15 seconds left to act
Merlin77771 bets $5
BMeisterO calls $5
arppaboy folds
*** TURN *** [5h 6h 4h] [8s]
Merlin77771 has 15 seconds left to act
Merlin77771 bets $4, and is all in
BMeisterO calls $4
Merlin77771 shows [Ks Js]
BMeisterO shows [8h 7h]
*** RIVER *** [5h 6h 4h 8s] [Ah]
Merlin77771 shows Ace King high
BMeisterO shows a straight flush, Eight high
BMeisterO wins the pot ($20.05) with a straight flush, Eight high
Merlin77771 is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $21.10 | Rake $1.05
Board: [5h 6h 4h 8s Ah]
Seat 1: Cacino70 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Merlin77771 (big blind) showed [Ks Js] and lost with Ace King high
Seat 3: soccerfeva didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: BMeisterO showed [8h 7h] and won ($20.05) with a straight flush, Eight high
Seat 5: arppaboy folded on the Flop
Seat 6: cyclenut (button) didn't bet (folded)

pathogen 06-12-2008 04:53

I've always hated NL too many grinders, too many bad plays get rewarded and when I go on tilt from these bad plays, HOLY **** WATCH OUT.

Thus, I have moved away from my 100NL days at party and have been playing Tourney's and Limit poker. Both allow me to control my tilt alot more.

I'm not suggesting you move away from NL I'm just saying maybe it isn't the game for you. Have you tried Tourney's? Perhaps as you said patience is your trouble. Anything up to 100NL to 200NL is gonna be a horrid grind. At least in my experience I absolutely hated it. 50NL drove me nuts, so many donks and idiots it made me tilt so hard.

What are your stats at NL50 compared to NL25?

Today's results:
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9444/ohhaiqw1.jpg

Adroit 06-12-2008 04:54

I flopped a straight flush live. Stacked the guy for ~$200 and hit the $500 T high straight flush jackpot at Imperial Palace.

cheezit 06-12-2008 06:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by pathogen (Post 13317133)
I've always hated NL too many grinders, too many bad plays get rewarded and when I go on tilt from these bad plays, HOLY **** WATCH OUT.

Thus, I have moved away from my 100NL days at party and have been playing Tourney's and Limit poker. Both allow me to control my tilt alot more.

I'm not suggesting you move away from NL I'm just saying maybe it isn't the game for you. Have you tried Tourney's? Perhaps as you said patience is your trouble. Anything up to 100NL to 200NL is gonna be a horrid grind. At least in my experience I absolutely hated it. 50NL drove me nuts, so many donks and idiots it made me tilt so hard.

What are your stats at NL50 compared to NL25?

Today's results:


you play limit and you thought NL was too much of a grind? geez, i was exactly the opposite.

this is my 4th bankroll. 1st bankroll $50 deposit, up and down playing mostly SNGs maxed at probably 250 or so then busto playing drunk one night.

2nd bankroll, bonus whoring playing limit as high as 1/2. probably got up to ~1200 or so before cashing out in various stages due to boredom with poker and needing the money.

3rd bankroll, i decided stud/8 was my game :lol:. i actually made a good bit but the lack of game availability made it impossible to play seriously. i won a $5 quadruple shootout on stars for ~$1400. ended up playing mostly tournies and SNGs but got bored again cashed out in stages and i think i eventually started playing 10nl with whatever bankroll I left myself with. eventually cashed it out.

This time I got a stake and ~6 months after starting I'm still really enjoying poker and for the first time I really feel like i'm getting better. Every other time I was just sort of lucked/bonus whored my way into a roll, got bored, and cashed out. This time I feel like i can legitimately beat the games I'm playing, could move up, and increase my roll substantially.

I like tournaments, I still play 4-5 a week, but if I'm not in the right frame of mind I am throwing my money away in them. When I am focusing and not just trying to build a big stack or bust, I can do pretty well in them. I'm not always in that frame of mind though when I play htem, and for that reason I don't take too many shots at any of the bigger tournaments.

you can check my OPR stats if you want. BMeisterO on FTP and B-dubbers on stars(though i havent played there in well over a year).


I'll keep playing tournaments because I enjoy them, and winning one is one of the best feelings I can think of. I don't know if I'll ever play limit again, it just bored me(good for clearing bonuses though, I imagine good for rakeback too). I dabble in plo8 and stud/8 still.

cheezit 06-19-2008 19:57

i don't know...

50nl
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...e19PEV50nl.jpg

anybody wanna coach a micro grinder?

cheezit 08-08-2008 05:28

almost forgot about this.

since this forum is 98% dead I'll just do a cliff notes update.

- near end of June my BR was ~2100

- DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMSWITCH

- hit a low point of ~1,050 in early/mid July after buying 6 months deucescracked membership for ~150

- at one point I was down $1,400 at 50nl, I was $750 below all in EV at that point.

- got a coach, paid for 5 lessons and only used 1 so far

- am almost back to even at 50nl

- good run + rakeback + some satellite cashes in 2nd half of july/early august, BR stands @ ~$3,000

- Took my first shot at 100nl today(i'm a br nit).

- Started a poker/life blog(mostly poker). If anybody is interested in following my progress I'll be updating it fairly regularly. BMeisterO

creative 08-09-2008 15:02

lol poker

i havent played in a month

stoopid job :(

ParoxysM 08-28-2008 18:28

Anyone else play Omaha? I play anywhere from 25/50/1 HI or HI/LO


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