Pro life folks

Amadeus said:
Would you grant responsible women the right to abortion? What's your metric for responsibility, and how do you prove that a given pregnancy has met the required level to allow for an abortion?
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A responsible woman would never seek an abortion out of convenience. Health reasons? Go for it. Couldnt keep your fuckin legs closed on a Friday night? You're a dumb cunt. Simple as that.

I'm not interested in the abortion debate. The fact that it's even a discussion means this society is on the brink of failure.
 
amRam said:
A responsible woman would never seek an abortion out of convenience. Health reasons? Go for it. Couldnt keep your fuckin legs closed on a Friday night? You're a dumb cunt. Simple as that.

I'm not interested in the abortion debate. The fact that it's even a discussion means this society is on the brink of failure.
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Oh really?

- Mom and dad, after careful consideration of their finances, decided they have the means to care for 3 kids
- 2 kids are already born, mom is pregnant with 3rd
- One of the kids suffers a permanent disability or is diagnosed with an illness that increases the cost of care 2x (expensive equipment/medication/etc)
- Mom and dad can no longer afford 3rd kid

Does Mom get to have an abortion?
 
Oh stop.

Inventing highly contrived outliers for scenarios is not an argument.

What if aliens landed tommorow and threatened to blow up the Earth if another baby is born for any reason?

"Would abortion be ok then?"
 
amRam said:
A responsible woman would never seek an abortion out of convenience. Health reasons? Go for it. Couldnt keep your fuckin legs closed on a Friday night? You're a dumb cunt. Simple as that.

I'm not interested in the abortion debate. The fact that it's even a discussion means this society is on the brink of failure.
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I get an absolute kick out of males discussing abortion almost as passionately as females do, if not more.
 
Amadeus said:
Oh really?



- Mom and dad, after careful consideration of their finances, decided they have the means to care for 3 kids

- 2 kids are already born, mom is pregnant with 3rd

- One of the kids suffers a permanent disability or is diagnosed with an illness that increases the cost of care 2x (expensive equipment/medication/etc)

- Mom and dad can no longer afford 3rd kid



Does Mom get to have an abortion?
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Oh look another token Amadeus post with highly irrelevant hypotheticals to bolster a non existent argument.
 
Amadeus said:
Oh really?

- Mom and dad, after careful consideration of their finances, decided they have the means to care for 3 kids
- 2 kids are already born, mom is pregnant with 3rd
- One of the kids suffers a permanent disability or is diagnosed with an illness that increases the cost of care 2x (expensive equipment/medication/etc)
- Mom and dad can no longer afford 3rd kid

Does Mom get to have an abortion?
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let's say that disability quadruples expenses now.

should they go ahead and murder the 2nd kid as well to make up for it?
 
havax said:
let's say that disability quadruples expenses now.



should they go ahead and murder the 2nd kid as well to make up for it?
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And lets say that there is a severe shortage of food

Which kids do they eat?

And the shortage of gas and electricity means they have to burn one kid for heat. Which one do they pick?
 
amRam said:
Oh look another token Amadeus post with highly irrelevant hypotheticals to bolster a non existent argument.
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It's a perfectly realistic scenario and a direct counter to your claim that a responsible woman would never seek an abortion for convenience.
 
havax said:
let's say that disability quadruples expenses now.

should they go ahead and murder the 2nd kid as well to make up for it?
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Obviously not, but they have the right to put those kids up for adoption so that they no longer have to bear the financial burden.

You'll find that most parents won't choose to excercise that right, but it's still there.
 
It's like the baby killer argument that abortions are a health issue....except only about 2% are performed for health reasons.

Face it. Women in our society kill babies in large part purely for convenience. Not only do they now have precise control of their reproductive cycle, they can also terminate unwanted pregnancies and are actively encouraged to do so. We're circling the drain.
 
Amadeus said:
It's a perfectly realistic scenario and a direct counter to your claim that a responsible woman would never seek an abortion for convenience.
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Because it would be a real financial inconvenience to have to take care of a special needs child...

You can 'what-if' it all day with abortions and come up with an ungodly amount of what-if, tear-jerker hypothetical scenarios to defend the position of killing an unborn child but it still doesn't change what is happening - killing a human being.
 
amRam said:
It's like the baby killer argument that abortions are a health issue....except only about 2% are performed for health reasons.

Face it. Women in our society kill babies in large part purely for convenience. Not only do they now have precise control of their reproductive cycle, they can also terminate unwanted pregnancies and are actively encouraged to do so. We're circling the drain.
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The stats clearly support your argument. I can't understand why he's disagreeing with this. It doesn't change the fundamental fact that we still have to care for these babies if they are born.
 
amRam said:
It's like the baby killer argument that abortions are a health issue....except only about 2% are performed for health reasons.

Face it. Women in our society kill babies in large part purely for convenience. Not only do they now have precise control of their reproductive cycle, they can also terminate unwanted pregnancies and are actively encouraged to do so. We're circling the drain.
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Why does it bother you so much that women get to excercise their right to bodily freedom? What exactly is this "drain" that you think we're circling?
 
samUwell said:
Because it would be a real financial inconvenience to have to take care of a special needs child...

You can 'what-if' it all day with abortions and come up with an ungodly amount of what-if, tear-jerker hypothetical scenarios to defend the position of killing an unborn child but it still doesn't change what is happening - killing a human being.
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Sidestepping the open question of what exactly qualifies as a human being:

You do realize that killing a human being is perfectly moral under certain circumstances, right? Can we at least agree on that point?
 
It doesn't bother me one bit where the awful moral compass of some random skank takes her in life. Like I said, I'm not interested in the debate. It's lose lose.

The drain we're circling is the erosion of basic family values, being replaced with consumerism and the pursuit of temporary self gratification.
 
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