[Net Neutrality] What does TW think about the new FCC plan?

Amadeus said:
I'm sorry, was that a yes or no to my question?
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there is a if you wait for others to do what is best for you

you will be waiting for a very long time

but give it a test by holding your breath if you like

becoming an adult is realizing that nobody but you has your best intentions and desire in mind

for you there is childhood cartoons and fantasy land though
 
Captain Tele said:
there is a if you wait for others to do what is best for you

you will be waiting for a very long time

but give it a test by holding your breath if you like

becoming an adult is realizing that nobody but you has your best intentions and desire in mind

for you there is childhood cartoons and fantasy land though
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Can you please answer my question with a simple yes or no?
 
Ixiterra said:
I got on to the internet with a 14.4 modem for the first time in 1995. 20 years later, I have a connection 2000x faster and my connection is on the slow end, I'm cheap. If the internet had been entirely deregulated during that process of creating government sanctioned monopolies, do you think I'd have a connection 2000x faster? With a connection that currently cannot discriminate against any lawful internet traffic? It's pretty hard to say, but in general things are not that bad. I pay $60/mo for 30 or 35mbit connection with AT&T. Seems pretty reasonable considering earthlink was $20/mo for 14.4kbps 20 years ago.
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i just find it pretty amazing that despite inventing cell phone tech after WW2 that America was perhaps one of the last nations to really have them properly implemented.......

History of mobile phones - Wikipedia

how people in sub-Saharan Africa had better cell phone service than most American's up until around 2000..............given how mine works right now I would argue that might still be the case

it is an interesting read

Are carriers keeping the unlocking commitments they made to the FCC?

and i don't disagree that the FCC could have a say and part in this

I just wish the FCC wasn't full of lobbyist rejects bestowed to telecom giants.

But that is like me being upset that my government isn't full of whores and sell outs.......

that is all i see anywhere so i guess i have beyond low to no expectations

i trust the FCC people we have (looking at their resume) to do the right thing, over the advantageous thing, the most profitable thing, about as much as I trust our Federal Reserve cartel of privatized bankers

that is really all you need to take away from my statements in the end
 
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Amadeus said:
Can you please answer my question with a simple yes or no?
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it isn't yes or no though

it is like telling me to pick between napster and itunes

i am sorry but i am not picking between the two because those are not my only options

this isn't binary, black and white, or one of your cartoons
 
Ztir said:
ur better off trying to find a way for sustainable fusion than getting a str8 answer out of tele
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want honest conversation

but only in yes or no artificial constructs

between two worst possible options (like fascism or communism)

LMAO

silly socialist scum

world doesn't work that way

and never ever will.......

so you flail and fail
 
Captain Tele said:
it isn't yes or no though

it is like telling me to pick between napster and itunes

i am sorry but i am not picking between the two because those are not my only options

this isn't binary, black and white, or one of your cartoons
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Seems pretty simple to me, let me make it even shorter:

If an ISP owns a significant chunk of infrastructure, and uses it to control the internet for its customers, is the best solution in your opinion to create a new company with its own infrastructure?

Can we have a simple yes or no to this question please?
 
no, the answer is to develop a work around

until there are no other work arounds

Amadeus said:
So if 2-3 companies take control of 90+% of internet access in the US, including owning the hardware/infrastructure, the solution is for everyone to stop using the internet until some other company comes along, builds its own infrastructure, and hopefully maybe won't try to take control?
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you want me to answer this question?

Piata said:
I'm not American and this is terrifying. Apparently they're also repealing the regulations regarding no hidden fees and creating rules to prevent individual states from enacting any NN laws. You guys are so fucked.

Enjoy the rape train!
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then what stops me from using a VPN?

i mean pretending to be from some place else has been the case for years now. the new normal......

be it when SouthParkSTudios first pulled its national origin crap (before even worse HULU sellout)

or for seeing video content on most major websites.......to viewing the Olympics online.

And if it isn't as simple as using a VPN..........then guess what the rest of the world is just as fucked as we are about this. They will not be celebrating either in this pay to play world where........wait for it......new approaches and ideas will have to be entertained.

A less controlled and centralized internet will become the only option because, wait for it, it will be the only option we have left......

BRIC Nations Plan Their own "Independent Internet"

The Citizens of Detriot Are Building Their Own Internet

also the story of our time............

just because you only have Amazon and Walmart on your browser doesn't make them your only options in this life
 
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for using the internet all the time u guys sure don't have much imagination for using the internet

somehow i don't have HBO, HBO GO, or any DVD/BLU RAY season box set/download and have still viewed every episode of Game of Thrones.......

how that is possible given the boundary conditions you guys want a YES OR NO answer to is troubling.........perhaps self explanatory at this point

everyone is trying to squeeze as much money as they possibly can out of you

how that is any different than yesterday i do not know
 
Captain Tele said:
no, the answer is to develop a work around

until there are no other work arounds
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let me animate it for you

serveimage


maybe motion anime?

serveimage
 
Ok, so if we're not going to build new infrastructure, then whatever workaround we find, we will still have to use the existing infrastructure, currently in the ownership of a private business. Correct?
 
it is like this is some huge epiphany or gotcha for u

this is like realizing that VOIP was working within existing infrastructure

u can't fight it nigga

no matter how many rocks and regs you throw in front of innovation
 
Captain Tele said:
it is like this is some huge epiphany or gotcha for u

this is like realizing that VOIP was working within existing infrastructure

u can't fight it nigga

no matter how many rocks and regs you throw in front of innovation
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I'm just trying to avoid accidentally saddling you with views you don't hold. Which is why I'm taking it slow with these simple yes/no questions. Your cooperation is greatly appreciated.

Ok, so we have a private business that uses its infrastructure to control the internet. We want the control to stop, but we don't want to build new infrastructure.

Would you agree that the business will be able to continue controlling the internet as long as it can both
a) own its own infrastructure
b) control traffic on said infrastructure as it sees fit?

Simple yes/no please.
 
The gorilla in the room is monopolization. The following ingredients are both boon and bane.

1) Monopolize a resource.
2) Put everyone else out of business/consolidate and leave no competition or alternative.
3) Control resource and raise prices.
4) Use resource to squash advancements of others.
5) Start cutting back on expenditures and maximizing cash suck into executives pockets.
6) Leave consumers pissed off and with no options or recourse.

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Captain Tele said:
LMAO

serveimage


N sorry

u can't stop control intent

be it of your internet, country, or personal life
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My question wasn't about intent, though. It was about opportunity.

Would you agree that as long as a business owns infrastructure, and is free to control traffic on said infrastructure however it likes, it has the opportunity to control the internet for its customers?
 
of course

just as you live on this planet you are living under someone elses rules

are at best a renter on their land.....even if you think you own land

and will spend the rest of your life paying beyond heavily for that

i get your argument that either we control the monopolies or the monopolies will control us

but what you don't get is that we will end up being owned by both the monopolies and the gubmt.......who at this point are indistinguishable under economic fascism

the model we all but run on now more than ever before

who will just keep jerking each other off as they bleed everything else they can touch dry
 
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