Plane crashes into World trade Center

Now, the thing in all of this that I don't understand is why did the ppl on the plane not do anything? It was 98 ppl vs 4 terrorists with box knives. Yaknow those knives used to open crates and stuff with the retractable razor blade? Thats what the terrorists had. Now 98 ppl jumping a few terrorists with razor blades I think the the fucking passengers can retake the plane. What is the worst that can happen? Your being steered straight into a fucking building WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE? Your gonna die anyway. Atleast fight for it. Thats what I would have done after regaining my sense that I'm probably going to die.


I think people just assumed it would be one of those "here's a list of demands" hijackings that were common in the 70's. Of course most of those passengers were to scared to risk killing themselves.

BUT, after today, I bet this tactic would be impossible. Four terrorists stand up on a plane and shout "WE HAVE A BOMB" and half the passengers mob them because bomb or not, they're gonna probably kill all of the passengers anyways....why not?

Originally posted by /AV/Pagy
wtf is all this nuke talk?

You do realize that the use of nuclear weapons is next to impossible...

I'd bet my testicles that no nuclear bomb will ever go off in an act of war in your lifetime.

Mind if I hold you to that?

Originally posted by FuFu
was in the other thread, someone brought up a good point. What if the terrorists just took a stewardess by knife point? Would u be responsible for someones death just to save others?

Figure it this way:
A 757 is a largely domestic plane. It's not a widebody, like the 767. 757's will have AT LEAST 4 flight attendants, and a 767 will have even more. The little phones that they use to make announcements can also be used to call the flight cabin. The pilot can then, in one word (literally) notify ANYONE that there is a situation. I work at Logan, doing Ground Security for one of the other major airlines there. We get calls from LaGuardia bound planes all the time. We're so close to one another that neither of the planes originating from Boston would've passed out of radio range for either Logan tower of LGA tower. And NEITHER TOWER heard a THING. This was not a hostage situation, people. Nobody on that plane had a chance to think before it was over. That flight crew died swiftly and violently, probably all at the same time, before anybody could notify the captain. And there weren't that many people on board. 30 something on one of the BOS originating planes. Once the perpetrators gained access to the flight cabin (approx. 7:45am), they had a completely secure staging area. The doors and the locks up there are specifically designed to thwart unauthorized entry to the flight cabin, so I'm quite sure they were very effective in keeping the terrorists safe enough to reroute that aircraft.


-'mis

Originally posted by BloodLUST!@
i bet some idiot like you said that 60 years ago, just before the atomic bomb went off in japan. Some science idiot like me built it.

If you know anything about modern nuclear weapons, you'd know that 'little boy' and 'fat man' were peanuts compared to what they have now.

Adding to it, the use of Nuclear Weapons is prohibited by countless treaties, making the use of nuclear weapons a choice that would isolate the USA from international organizations and treaties, and maybe even starting global chaos.

In short, the use of these bombs would make the US the enemy of the entire planet.

And the US gov't knows better

k all i do is monitor these boards cause its cool since i quit tribes a long time ago...never really posted tho

my heart goes out to everyone who died

however, i got to page 58 before i have to go to bed and i can't help to think...no one here has reported loved ones or someone directly who is involved that has had a casualty...
...im thinkin directly of rayn....anyone heard? rayn you out there?
i know a couple of peeps have posted a question but it got overpassed so im going to post this a couple of times

-daNo

What about the tactical nuclear demolition charge... the so called "backpack nuke" One of those would be just the thing for fumigating a nest of roaches...

On second thought, destroying a pool of slime... I have too much respect for roaches.

k all i do is monitor these boards cause its cool since i quit tribes a long time ago...never really posted tho

my heart goes out to everyone who died

however, i got to page 58 before i have to go to bed and i can't help to think...no one here has reported loved ones or someone directly who is involved that has had a casualty...
...im thinkin directly of rayn....anyone heard? rayn you out there?
i know a couple of peeps have posted a question but it got overpassed so im going to post this a couple of times

-daNo

wtf its not appearing...maybe if i modify it

And another thing...box cutters won't clear security.
They set off all sorts of alarms, both the walk through and the handwands. They're solid metal, any jackass with half a brain can detect that.
Odds are this was a variant on the "CIA letter opener." PJ mentioned this earlier, in a sense, it's basically a single piece polymer knife, initially molded into shape and then sharpened. Using the right materials, it's quite feasible to fashion a blade capable of penetrating a 2x4 (I've seen demonstrations, if you doubt this). No alarm, no hand wand, just a nice courteous customer service smile...
"Have a nice flight." was probably the last thing they heard before boarding, and it makes me fucking sick.

-'mis

If you are wondering of something positive you can do tomorrow in your lunch break or when you have some free time.

Go down to the local hospital or red cross and donate some blood. Especially if you have the rarer blood type.

That would really help any survivors or injured I'm sure.

To back Pub up, there are a few images on Yahoo showing middle east celebration (if you click the image, it'll go to its respective page):
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20010911/imdf11092001143330a.jpg (http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/nm/20010911/wl/imdf11092001143330a.html)
A Palestinian fires his rifle at Ain al-Hilweh refugee camp near the port city Sidon in south Lebanon, September 11, 2001. Palestinians at refugee camps in Lebanon fired into the air on Tuesday to celebrate news of attacks on major U.S. landmarks and government offices. REUTERS/Ali Hashisho

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20010911/mdf50659.jpg (http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/nm/20010911/pl/mdf50659.html)
A Palestinian fires his rifle in celebration as children dance around him at Ain al-Hilweh refugee camp near the port city Sidon in south Lebanon September 11, 2001. Arab leaders voiced shock and horror at devastating attacks that leveled symbols of American power Tuesday, but a chorus of cheers rose from streets that resent U.S. backing of Israel. (Ali Hashisho/Reuters)

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20010911/capt.1000240134mideast_pa lestinians_attacks_jrl109 .jpg (http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/ap/20010911/wl/1000240134mideast_palesti nians_attacks_jrl109.html )
A Palestinian woman receives free sweets from a vendor as groups of locals in east Jerusalem's Old City celebrate after hearing the news of a terrorist attack on the World Trade Center in New York, Tuesday, Sept. 11, 2001. (AP Photo/str)
People receiving sweets after hearing the news? That pisses me off. :mad:

I read the first couple pages and skipped to the last cus i gotta go to sleep, but man when I first heard about this i was just coming back from 1st period, and I couldnt beleive it, then throughtout the day we watched the tv in every class and these reports of 4 planes crashing got me really freaked out, and then really mad. I got home and watched the tv as more and more videotape from amateur photographers were being shown, and i just happend to see the first broadcast of a guy almost right below tower 2 as the plane crashed into it, my heart flew into my throat as i saw that, they kept showing it over and over and i couldnt beleive it. I feel very sad right now, I feel powerless and i hope whoever is responsible for this attrocity will be found and punished severly. My heart goes out to everyone involved in the rescue operations who died and the people on the planes and the buildings and especially the pilot of the plane that crashed in Penn. cus he did not let the plane crash fly into a building, he sacrificed himself and the people on the plane so that hundreds if not thousands of more lives could be saved. I quote "Today is a day that will live in infamy", and it will never be forgotten, not by me not by you not by anyone.
I hope everyone one of you will hugg your loved ones and tell them you love them. Good night.

Just a quick perspective note from the DC area. I work in the AOL datacenter in Reston, VA. The report of the first plane hitting the WTC came in just as I was pulling into the parking lot. My carpool mate actually got a cell call from a friend of his and we hit the radio as soon as we heard, assuming it was a horrible accident of some kind. We were shocked, but we carried on with our day. Then reports came in of a second plane, all indications pointing to small commuter planes making the incursions. Shocked once more we proceeded with a meeting we had planned for 9AM. A cell phone call came in on the phone of my project manager. It was his wife calling about the Pentagon. They live less than half a mile from the Pentagon. Needless to say we were all quite s***** by this bit of news. I immediately announced that I was going home, grabbed my carpool mate and headed for the house, all the while concerned about my pregnant wife and 3 children. I got home, walked into the living room and completely lost it: a grown man reduced to uncontrolled sobbing coming to realization of what has actually occurred. My wife went and got our older kids from school and we basically hunkered down, watching the news, like most of America today, I'm sure.

My house is about 5 miles away from Dulles, so every time I heard a jet engine this afternoon I was more than a little concerned. We caught sight of several F15's both this afternoon and this evening flying what appeared to be patrol routes over the Dulles Airport, but I'm not sure what to make of that.

The whole area is in a aura of quiet awe. Shock is real and tangible here, as with most of the nation. As has been requested several times in this thread, I would further encourage that you remember the souls of the deceased and ask for comfort in the lives of the survivors in your prayers. Now is a time for all of us to come together and what is right to honor the dead the help the living. God bless America.

If any of you think theres going to be any form of nuclear weapon used you need to get your head examined. I dont care how mad you are right now, millions of people dont deserve to die for the actions, no matter how disgusting, of a relatively small group of people. You're talking about sinking to their level, and that is precisely what has to be avoided. I think you'll find when the time comes the plan of attack will consist of much more precise means.

Besides which setting off a nuke wouldnt sit well with the neighboring areas that would be poisoned for years, methinks.

Just found out that my girls step dad lost his cousin on one of the planes ....

I want blood ....

Just read a really interesting post at PC I'd like to mirror here for discussion's sake:
Flamethrower (#153):
Well, I was at work when it happened, hearing about 4pm. Saw the Internet reports and talked to Dutch people reading Dutch-language newsites. Then I want training, there's nothing I can do to help by rushing home, might as well punch and kick and knee and elbow someone. Then I got to saw Die Hard 2000 on the BBC News.

There's only one thing I truly fear at this moment in time, at times like these: that the wrong people get blamed. Okay, okay, so the sheer scale is scary too. Too many people are saying the last attack this big was Pearl Harbour. I prefer to think of it along the lines of, the last time attack this big led to the only two nuclear weapons to ever be detonated on cities of people.

The rest of the world that I can see around me is in shock too, America. But now you're facing something that is not exclusive to you. The rest of the world, the other Goverments and military and civilian poplulations from all over the world have had to deal with gurilla warfare for a very long time. One of the pains is you simply don't know who or where your opponent is. That's why it's so fucking effective. That's why so many other Goverments have had to (truth be told) compramise to it. Cut the thumbs of those you thumb their noses at you is a fine thing to do but it's hard to implement when the fuckers are invisible. The CIA, the FBI, the NSA, Echelon, every resource open to you, ever single one, and you didn't see, get a glimpse or sniff off, a massively perfectly-orchestrated attack from three airports.

If you didn't see the punch comming in, nor even the fighter, who do you attack?

I mean, who here has even the SLIGHTEST fucking thread of evidence that this wasn't, for example, China? What's your excuse for not blaming China rather than Islamaics. Perhaps China's CIA is inteligent enough to fake Islamic-type attacks (you know, rather than flying MIGs with Chinese lettering on them in). From a Chinese POV, didn't they just fuck up the Pentagon (people who observe them), and the main trading powerhouse district? And China is by no and nay fucking means the end of the list of potentials and suspects.

I don't want to make you paranoid, but Islamic groups are no the be-all and end-all here. Your defense of any other group is going to be "but they wouldn't be so stupid to do something THIS big". Well, excuse me, but wouldn't that apply equally to even Ladin? You cannot, CAN NOT, know he is the only power this brutal.

You might be more correct in stating, "no group (like China) would be so stupid to do something this big, and take the wrap for it".

Now is not the time for retaliation. You have no idea who to punch. Yet.I still think it's bin Ladin and his crew (since suicide terrorism was involved). But true. What's to stop a driven, diabolical group from using a framing tactic to get wreak havoc on America?

does anyone else find it odd that the kid holding the gun in one of those pics is wearing a DENVER BRONCOS replica jersey?

Originally posted by El Mariachi
I am not lax. I want to kill people. I am angered. I want justice. I want revenge. I will not forget this. They will not gloat at victory. They will pay. They will not survive. Their own children will spit on their graves.



I am so with El Mar on this one. If there was ever a time when I would welcome a draft, this is it.

Originally posted by FuFu


was in the other thread, someone brought up a good point. What if the terrorists just took a stewardess by knife point? Would u be responsible for someones death just to save others?

They mentioned in that Pennsylvania crash that the hijackers also came up with a bomb threat to back-up the knives. That from the guy who actually called his mom from the plane before it crashed.

Originally posted by MaNNiE
fuckin' MUSLIMS

Now this we don't need. Feel free to call me all the names you'd like, but ignorant racism such as this shouldn't be tolerated anyplace.

Please try to remember that the vast majority of all Muslims are much more like Muhammed Ali than bin Laden. On the whole the Muslim world community is both much larger, and much more peaceful than the world Christian community.

People did this to the WTC and it's citizens, not a race or a religion. :(

I'm with you... blaming a group of people for this is so stupid that I don't even know what to call it...