[Rogue] 3.2.2 and Mutilate

With the change of Envenom from 7-9% of AP, for mutilate, wouldn't AP outweigh Agi even more than it does now? Assuming you maintain a respectable crit level, the damage gain from Envenoms itself is quite substatial. So assuming you have about ~16 gem slots, you'd be gaining about 320 AP instead. It would make it outweigh Agi as it is pretty much on par or a little bit ahead right now.

Yellow sockets with +5 or above agi would be converted to 20 AP, 10 Crit to help maintain your crit levels I'd imagine.

I think Mutilate may come out a bit ahead with BiS then since you'd be gaining a bunch of 5 stack DP ticks as opposed to 1-4 stacks as you rebuild stacks after envenoms. Based on the amount of envenoms I do on most fights (thanks Pessi) The amount of dps gain would be quite significant.

What say you, TW rouges.

It still suffers from the same problem it always has.

On a static target where nothing but long-term DPS matters (think PW), Mut and Combat tend to be very even.

On most real encounters, Combat is just plain-old better, either because of timed burns, damage boost phases, or adds.

Yea, I notice a big dps drop on something like northrend beasts during switches to Snobolds for example. I have to rebuild DP stacks and I lose a huge chunk of rupture dps (though that's a problem with both specs). But yea, a lot more of dps is based on timers and 'keeping stuff up'.

I don't want to mention any names but maybe our raid leader Adroit will see this post and say "hey mutilate rogues stay on the boss" since it's a pretty big dps loss.

Or the more obvious "hey mutilate rogues, loot some combat weapons and respec".

;)

They don't exist. Hack and Slash is a myth. Fists are artifacts.

Believe me, as an Orc, I'd LOVE to switch. Fuck expertise.

Pessi, you think with hack and slash and the new weapons, it'd come out above CQC?

Assuming they bother to fix precision not working with Axes, yes it does.

I've had a Blood Fury since like the second or third week of ToC with no MH to use it with yet =(

I have it as well (and one of the other rogues has the Heroic one), but I wouldn't use it even if I had a MH since it's bugged.

Really? What's bugged with it?

edit: oh precision doesn't work.. weird

Precision has been fixed since yesterday. If you have a weap, you should try it now.

Pessi, does Cloak of Shadows remove Powering Up on the Val'kyrs? I pop it and stay on the target during the vortex instead at the moment. It may be my own fps issues, but I have a hard time getting full powerup on the fight. I seem to just miss it even though I lag my way to it and it looks like the graphic hits me. It doesn't seem to stack very fast though, so I'm wondering if I'm removing it by accident.

I've never watched, honestly, but it doesn't look like it removes it from the uptime graph on WoL.

Look at World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis (http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-6ODm1pxQiq1IHyAN/details/2/?s=13144&e=13451) go to Buffs Gained, and click the # by Powering up, and the # by Touch of Darkness. I cloaked the first touch, but there is no gap in Powering Up's uptime, so I'm pretty sure it doesn't wipe it.

Why do you cloak the first Touch of Darkness as opposed to the vortex? I figure we just let healers heal through the ToDs.

We switch for Vortex.

I never switch I just kill the bosses in 1 or 2 quick hits.