making the switch

from wow to war

y/n?

yes. The new balance patch looks very promising. They've added a scenario for live events (which seems to be their best one yet, so hopefully they will leave it in the rotation)that is fun.

I would wait until the patch and new classes come out. Low populations on the servers at the moment.

Screw waiting, sign up now. Gonna take you some time to level up to the point that you even notice the changes that they're fixing. By then you'll be at a high enough level and know if you want to continue playing or not.

If you have a BURNING desire to play a Black Guard or KotBS, then sure go ahead and wait.

i know nothing about this game

signed up for the beta in like, late 2006 with BE and then by the time we could all play beta, my shitty computer couldn't run the game. had like 6 fps when i first made my bright wizard and it was unplayable

now i'm on a new pc and have no plans to raid in wotlk

is pvp the end game in war? is it balanced? if i'm gonna focus on pvp i should just switch to the pvp game and do stuff with tw

pvp is the endgame. you have to pve some to get gear for the city raids.

balanced, hmm. There's a balance patch coming out soon so we'll see. At the moment, not really. But it's not a 1v1 game.

Yes. Don't play a BW though. =P

Our server is balanced as far as population goes

neither TW guild will be active soon

go with grudge if you were in BE or you can go to SoL if you want to play destro

I'm gonna reactivate and give it another try when the heavy metal patch drops. I just quit because I found it impossible to find a class that struck my interest enough.

It'll be interesting when the career patch hits. pvp is fun now, but I think it'll improve with the changes they're suggesting. Right now it seems like people are just abusing the shit out of BW while they still can...probably half those guys will re-roll once things get evened out.

is there a 10 day trial kinda thing like for wow?

A lot of people like endgame, but I found it to be really repetitive/boring. IMO there is very little incentive to do endgame orvr other than for the sake of doing it (i.e. the renown grind is insanely slow with item rewards few and far between). But on the other hand, by the time you hit 40, I'm sure everything will be a ton smoother/fun.

is there a 10 day trial kinda thing like for wow?

Not yet but I imagine it will come out when the new classes are released.

A lot of people like endgame, but I found it to be really repetitive/boring. IMO there is very little incentive to do endgame orvr other than for the sake of doing it (i.e. the renown grind is insanely slow with item rewards few and far between). But on the other hand, by the time you hit 40, I'm sure everything will be a ton smoother/fun.

That's the point of this game, pvp, for the sake of pvp. No useless grinding of crap like in WoW trying to get T3, T4 whatever--then once you obtain it, oops, they added another set, get to grinding!

It also means there is less to do to "keep up with the Joneses"

That's the point of this game, pvp, for the sake of pvp. No useless grinding of crap like in WoW trying to get T3, T4 whatever--then once you obtain it, oops, they added another set, get to grinding!

It also means there is less to do to "keep up with the Joneses"
Yep, it will make and kill the game at the same time imo though.

The majority of people who play MMOs play for that "carrot on a stick" reasons (want something, work for it, get it, then want something newer and restart)

A lot of people like endgame, but I found it to be really repetitive/boring. IMO there is very little incentive to do endgame orvr other than for the sake of doing it (i.e. the renown grind is insanely slow with item rewards few and far between). But on the other hand, by the time you hit 40, I'm sure everything will be a ton smoother/fun.


In my experience, few video games offer rewards beyond the satisfaction and enjoyment of playing them.

Yep, it will make and kill the game at the same time imo though.

The majority of people who play MMOs play for that "carrot on a stick" reasons (want something, work for it, get it, then want something newer and restart)
Good, then the noobs who suck at pvp won't play. Means better competition. I have no problem if that means small server populations (which would leave to combining servers)--as long as there are enough customers to keep the game going. It's the fun of pvp, playing against other humans is what I play this for. I did the 8 hour raiding etc, 40 man and 25 man, went very very far. At some point you realize how worthless it is, and all you want to do is fucking face-smash someone in pvp ;)

There is a carrot on a stick in WAR for the pvp. You get better Gear the higher Renown Rank you get (think PvP rank from WoW) and you can even unlock stuff like an extra Mastery Point (Talent point from WoW). Unfortunately, the itemization is quite poor for a lot of classes so the renown gear isn't so great. It has been said it will be reworked, but it isn't looking like that will happen in the short term.

Balance is decent. BW/Sorc's are too strong at the moment. Ironbreaker is the best tank easily. Witch Elf is far better than Witch Hunter. It's ok, but they do need some changes. The 1.06 patch addresses some problems, sadly it is buffing some of the ranged classes. Basically, this game the Melee DPS classes get shit on all day and ranged DPS classes are way better. Doesn't look like a change to that is coming soon, so I would recommend you play a ranged, healer or tank.

* Make sure you pick a good server. Your fun out of the game is highly dependent on what server and side you go. REM is a great server. Very good population, quite balanced by faction, etc. I would highly recommend it.

The reason people play RPGs is because they like to see their characters improve. It gives them a sense of accomplishment. Like with an fps, people play both to have fun AND to get better at the game. If you play an fps for months, and you're no better now than when you started, you get a little demoralized. Yes, playing the game itself is fun, but that can only take you so far. It's natural for people to want to extract some sense of accomplishment from the time they've invested in something.

So for WAR, playing the game itself is fun, but people also want to have some sense of accomplishment, mainly through character improvement (IMHO skill is irrelevant. In the grand scheme of things, it's numbers that dominate. Zerg vs zerg is what this game's about). Ragingbunny, I agree that you shouldn't be penalized if you only play casually. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't be rewarded if you play heavily. That was mythic's original goal when they designed this game.

They do it well in PvE (e.g. wards/lockouts). Gear upgrades you get from higher instances aren't really upgrades in terms of stats (my "higher" sentinel boots are actually worse than my bloodlord boots straight up), but they do allow you to progress through the instances, which gives you a sense of accomplishment. So it's improvement without being overpowered.

BUT, they do it horribly in RvR. After hitting 40, all I did was RvR. I played a ton and only got one significant upgrade through RvR (I hit RR45 and could finally wear my conqueror boots), which turned out not to even be an upgrade (I put them on to see how they look, but haven't worn them since). So I must've spent at least 3 days /played going from RR36 to RR45 without so much as a single significant upgrade (I did get a few marginally better green item drops though). I cannot honestly say that the time I spent getting up to RR45 was not a waste of time. I'm not expecting mega orange mythic items. I just want something--anything--I can use to tell myself that I'm better off than I was 2 weeks ago.

Maybe it's just not my game, and I can't "pvp for the sake of pvping." It was definitely fun at first, but after playing enough, I found it to be really repetitive/boring without even any small rewards along the way that could hold my interest. Without any character improvement however small, the game ceases to be an RPG, which is what I signed up for.


Cliffs:
-Once you hit 40, you're up there with all the other 40s that have been 40 for weeks
-On the flipside, after being 40 for weeks, don't expect to be any better than you were when you hit 40
-Maybe I went about it with the wrong mindset, but I found endgame open rvr to be too repetitive, and I have no incentive to play anymore.

And to surge:
IMO, WAR endgame (open rvr) would be like constant alterac valley (I'm thinking pre-BC). At first, the epicness of AV is insanely fun. But expect to be doing that all the time. Sure, there're other things you can do endgame, but open rvr is the core of endgame. And expect it to be a huge fucking grind if you're looking for gear upgrades. If you want to like WAR endgame, you have to enjoy doing AV over and over and over.

As you can tell, I'm sort of biased. Just take this as one person's opinion. You might like WAR endgame. I didn't.


/rant

When it comes to pvp games like WAR I don't play for character advancement I play to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and to hear the lamentations of their women.

Well, War is more like a FPS in the fact that the end game is really about PvP and it doesn't rely as much on elite gear. A lot of people like that it's more casual and you don't have to spend 8 hours doing a raid hoping that a piece of gear drops. Then you repeat that raid 20 times. For some people, that's just no fun.