new news about raids in wotlk

The reason wow is such a popular game is because you can play it casually. Why are you all surprised that are trying to make it more friendly to casuals. Its going to make them money.

I feel more accomplished in a 10man where my effort shows than hiding in the back of a 25 or 40man raid where my presence may not even be noticed by half the raid.Thanks to WWS you can't even do that anymore.

Because 40 people was just too much. Raiding was so awful with that many people man. Looking back I don't know how we even did it.

Great, so we agree that making raiding more accessible to everyone and not just an elite few is a good thing.

Great, so we agree that making raiding more accessible to everyone and not just an elite few is a good thing.

shutup

Nope. If it was clearly about being more skilled and elite then people wouldn't have been happy about it being toned back from 40 man to 25 man. 25 mans made it "easier", the very thing the hardcore people are now currently complaining about with the proposed changes.

As long as theres a noticed difference in the difficulty of encounters and rewards for clearing them, I think it's a pretty good idea to get more casuals into seeing things they otherwise would have missed out on.

I must say I also enjoy the current badge vendor system, although I don't think every boss in Kara should drop badges... I mean come on. 22 badges in two hours the other day for my guild. Granted no pug or casual could do it that fast, but still.

Great, so we agree that making raiding more accessible to everyone and not just an elite few is a good thing.

Raiding is accessible to you right now, you just blow and can't complete it.

Only thing that makes us "elite" is the fact that we actually kill the shit.

Raiding is accessible to you right now, you just blow and can't complete it.

Only thing that makes us "elite" is the fact that we actually kill the shit.
Quoted for idiocy.

Raiding is accessible to you right now, you just blow and can't complete it.

Only thing that makes us "elite" is the fact that we actually kill the shit.

Or people have lives and cant dedicate set hours to a video game. You know people play casualy when they have free time.

Raiding is accessible to you right now, you just blow and can't complete it.

Only thing that makes us "elite" is the fact that we actually kill the shit.
Video games are the amount of time you put in (particularly MMOs), you should know that by now. Yeah there is some room for raw skill and skill transfer, but at the end of the day that 16 y/o playing 8 hours a day will be just as "elite" as you.

Oh and shut the fuck up, most of us had our hardcore gaming days go by with tribes. If you seriously think that any of us lack the "skill" to participate in top tier WoW raiding you're just plain wrong.

No one on this forum could have any idea what its like to play in top 10% of a games playerbase. None of us have any experience with teams of internet players.

Great, so we agree that making raiding more accessible to everyone and not just an elite few is a good thing.

So you are saying reducing the raid by 38% is equal to reducing it down by 60%.

Thats some neat math you got going there. Assuming 10 mans were somewhat difficult it would have the opp. affect than you expect.

If you don't like the way wow is structured there are other options you know. This isn't your place of fucking residence. Stop taking it so personal that you cannot do everything in a video game.

Fortunately as previously stated there will be a tiers diff in gear you get from 10 to 25 man. So I could care less.

edit: also you target my post as if I wasn't doing the end game content in 40 man content as well...is that a joke?

Well I still think the 'elites' will have thier place. They still find tons of ways to segregate the masses from themselves. PVP is so popular because everyone can participate, not everyone could participate in raids, or even kara. My server has pretty strict guidelines for kara, unless its a guild run you wont get in a pug if you are less than full T4.

The one thing that concerns me about wotlk is the talent trees. The only way they are going to balance things is to mix talent trees. For example, Prot Pallies aggro control is so good warriors and druids are at the bottom of the pecking order for tanks, to the point where people only want pally tanks in heroics. For warriors this is a problem cus no one invites a arms or fury cus of no cc. They need to get feral and prot warriors some of the same abilities, and compensate pallys somewhere for it.

Well I still think the 'elites' will have thier place. They still find tons of ways to segregate the masses from themselves. PVP is so popular because everyone can participate, not everyone could participate in raids, or even kara. My server has pretty strict guidelines for kara, unless its a guild run you wont get in a pug if you are less than full T4.


they they are just after badges. they could give 2 shits about kara or the loot

they they are just after badges. they could give 2 shits about kara or the loot

Which is why noobs dont get in the runs

I love the conception that all we do is raid 40 hours a week and have no social lives.

It takes 7 hours or so to clear all of BT & Hyjal -- 4 or 5 hours a night for 3 nights (tues-thurs). This "we have lives" nonsense is retarded.

Its a fucking week night. Is you spending time in front of a TV is any more productive then sitting in front of a computer? If you were to seriously look at yourself and how much time you waste entertaining yourself, you would realize you waste just as much, just spread out into other bullshit.

Friday/Sat/Sun -- Go clubbing, to the bars, yadda yadda, but what is wrong with playing a video game in the middle of the week. Amazingly you can work 40 hours a week, raid, and still go out and have fun. It's hard to believe, but its true! really!

But i know, you have such a busy schedule rotating all your models, you just can't spare the time to play a video game.

How about this concept? Don't play it if you don't have time, instead of crying and trying to make it "easier" for you.

Go play a private server and put on godmode if you really want to see it that bad.





WTS 70 Rogue -- Don't have time to raid anymore.

Nope. If it was clearly about being more skilled and elite then people wouldn't have been happy about it being toned back from 40 man to 25 man. 25 mans made it "easier", the very thing the hardcore people are now currently complaining about with the proposed changes.
25mans didn't really make anything easier though outside arranging raid groups and attendance. Every one of those 25 players has a job in the raid and if more than a couple people fail then you're screwed. With 40man raids you could have 10-20 people practically afk or sucking balls and you could still accomplish things. You'd see those people shine on C'Thun, Heigan and anything t3 beyond Gothik. The current version is the person who is always late to use their PVP trinket on Rage Winterchill or who hangs out in void zones on Netherspite or flamestrikes on Kael.

I love the conception that all we do is raid 40 hours a week and have no social lives.

It takes 7 hours or so to clear all of BT & Hyjal -- 4 or 5 hours a night for 3 nights (tues-thurs). This "we have lives" nonsense is retarded.

Its a fucking week night. Is you spending time in front of a TV is any more productive then sitting in front of a computer? If you were to seriously look at yourself and how much time you waste entertaining yourself, you would realize you waste just as much, just spread out into other bullshit.

Friday/Sat/Sun -- Go clubbing, to the bars, yadda yadda, but what is wrong with playing a video game in the middle of the week. Amazingly you can work 40 hours a week, raid, and still go out and have fun. It's hard to believe, but its true! really!

But i know, you have such a busy schedule rotating all your models, you just can't spare the time to play a video game.

How about this concept? Don't play it if you don't have time, instead of crying and trying to make it "easier" for you.

Go play a private server and put on godmode if you really want to see it that bad.





WTS 70 Rogue -- Don't have time to raid anymore.

Everyone who plays wow has sex with 4 different supermodels during the weeknights between there raids. I hear it all the time in shatt chat.

My biggest issue...me and the wife had a big falling out about wow so basically I can play, just can run in groups except a few nights a week since she needs something every 5 minutes.

I love the conception that all we do is raid 40 hours a week and have no social lives.

It takes 7 hours or so to clear all of BT & Hyjal -- 4 or 5 hours a night for 3 nights (tues-thurs). This "we have lives" nonsense is retarded.

Its a fucking week night. Is you spending time in front of a TV is any more productive then sitting in front of a computer? If you were to seriously look at yourself and how much time you waste entertaining yourself, you would realize you waste just as much, just spread out into other bullshit.

Friday/Sat/Sun -- Go clubbing, to the bars, yadda yadda, but what is wrong with playing a video game in the middle of the week. Amazingly you can work 40 hours a week, raid, and still go out and have fun. It's hard to believe, but its true! really!

But i know, you have such a busy schedule rotating all your models, you just can't spare the time to play a video game.

How about this concept? Don't play it if you don't have time, instead of crying and trying to make it "easier" for you.

Go play a private server and put on godmode if you really want to see it that bad.





WTS 70 Rogue -- Don't have time to raid anymore.

:lol: What's wrong? It's not like raiding takes much time! Aren't you elite? Please, stay and prove everyone that cares (no one on TW, I assure you) that you can 'kill shit'

Sarcasm evades you!

You have been killed by sarcasm.

I love the conception that all we do is raid 40 hours a week and have no social lives.

It takes 7 hours or so to clear all of BT & Hyjal -- 4 or 5 hours a night for 3 nights (tues-thurs). This "we have lives" nonsense is retarded.

Its a fucking week night. Is you spending time in front of a TV is any more productive then sitting in front of a computer? If you were to seriously look at yourself and how much time you waste entertaining yourself, you would realize you waste just as much, just spread out into other bullshit.

Friday/Sat/Sun -- Go clubbing, to the bars, yadda yadda, but what is wrong with playing a video game in the middle of the week. Amazingly you can work 40 hours a week, raid, and still go out and have fun. It's hard to believe, but its true! really!

But i know, you have such a busy schedule rotating all your models, you just can't spare the time to play a video game.

How about this concept? Don't play it if you don't have time, instead of crying and trying to make it "easier" for you.

Go play a private server and put on godmode if you really want to see it that bad.





WTS 70 Rogue -- Don't have time to raid anymore.
You're missing the point, most of the people here can do this, or have done it, they (I) choose not to. Four to five hours straight, three nights a week is hardcore gaming, I am not a hardcore gamer anymore. Sorry I'd like to maintain my hourly playing time and see more content.