How does wow arena compare to something like dota?

gameplay-wise.

i suppose theres no escape/regroup/plan your attack like in dota...maybe thats more of like a pvp instance or something.

and im assuming dota would be more intense since you can die in under 10 sec

actually similar imo

gay combos can dominate and going in without knowing your enemy is pretty much assured death. Theres also fun tricks and lots of ventrillo fun in arena, like dota

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theres lots of waiting around too, just like DotA

and just like Dota, you will get in a game only to realize all the enemies left

never played any dota, but I can comment on arena

there are plenty of options for planning, although the escape and regroup options arent always available depending on your team composition and bracket size.

there is a ton of room for finesse and strategy in teams with lots of cc & heals, if you play a dps centric comp you are more limited in style

you can lose a match in 10sec and get blown up in half that, but they can drag out to over an hour pretty easily (hunter/druid snore)

Arena is all strategy - knowledge of class mechanics, position and timing.

Matches can end in seconds or last 10 minutes, although usually in the 2-5 min range.

2v2 3v3 and 5v5 are all very unique. There's a large degree of "rock paper scissors" to it, given that the classes each bring soooo much to gameplay and pretty much everything has a counter. The rock-paper-scissors is more about combinations of classes vs other combos.

While that rock-paper-scissors thing is a real (and sometimes frustrating) element, there's plenty of room for raw skill. But it's more about teamwork than just individual players dominating.

the lack of balance in arena is probably the main reason i stopped playing wow. well, that and my play time is so gimped. i couldn't raid or do anything other than 2s, maybe 3s, but never 5s. from what i can tell, 5s is really where class makeup matters the least, which makes it the most desirable comp for me.

i knew there is no way blizzard will make any changes to balance arena in the smaller brackets, so i figured there was no reason to keep playing. im not bashing blizz, it just didn't work for what i wanted to get out of wow.

I've been playing a warrior forever, I have a druid, and now my priest is 70.

Arena is just getting stale, because once you're into high ratings it's just counter-comp vs. counter-comp. In general, people aren't making really stupid mistakes, so it really does come down to a class balance deciding the game, instead of the player skill, unless it's a mirror match.

I'll be checking out Age of Conan, and plan to play some interesting mixes.

I'm in my second week of arena, never played dota. I enjoy it but it seems with the season winding to an end you play alot of matchups against the ideal comps, about 30% of our matchup are against rogue/druid. I thought it was going to involve more skill and I'm not diminishing anyone but we are already at the mode where we dont make many mistakes, and if we win its cus of a lucky resist or some percentage that goes our way. Usually we lose since our gear is crap and most are in full S3 now but we roll with it.

Cliff's - Arena is fun but very comp and gear dependant.

I'm in my second week of arena, never played dota. I enjoy it but it seems with the season winding to an end you play alot of matchups against the ideal comps, about 30% of our matchup are against rogue/druid. I thought it was going to involve more skill and I'm not diminishing anyone but we are already at the mode where we dont make many mistakes, and if we win its cus of a lucky resist or some percentage that goes our way. Usually we lose since our gear is crap and most are in full S3 now but we roll with it.

Cliff's - Arena is fun but very comp and gear dependant.

My guess is at your rating, you're still playing a lot of diverse comps, with just better gear. As you get into the 1700+ range, you'll start seeing more and more of the basic comps that are in the higher ratings.

My guess is at your rating, you're still playing a lot of diverse comps, with just better gear. As you get into the 1700+ range, you'll start seeing more and more of the basic comps that are in the higher ratings.

We'll we are in the 1300's (Hunter/Shaman, 1 epic between us) and we see about 50% */druid combos. I haven't armoried all the teams (is there a way to look up your match history?) but several were close to or had full S3 that we checked.

I figure its going to take me at least a season to get gear to compete, and with S4 coming up I'm saving all my marks and honor in hopes they'll move the sets (S2) up in bgs.

I'm not trying to be a dick, but if you're in the 1300's, it's because you're making stupid mistakes.

I took a priest/rogue in greens/quest blues, no enchants, no sockets gemmed to 1700's... not exactly an accomplishment, but it's a testament to the fact that gear is not as much of a hindrance provided you and your partner are capable players and don't make many mistakes.

I'm not trying to be a dick, but if you're in the 1300's, it's because you're making stupid mistakes.

I took a priest/rogue in greens/quest blues, no enchants, no sockets gemmed to 1700's... not exactly an accomplishment, but it's a testament to the fact that gear is not as much of a hindrance provided you and your partner are capable players and don't make many mistakes.


Fair enough, but a priest / rogue is a hell of a better combo than a hunter / shaman. In fact that is the 2nd most successful combo in 2v2, representing 11.1% (roughly 301) of all teams over 2200. Hunter / Shaman is .001 with only 1 team over 2200 total.

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I'm not trying to be a dick, but gear and combos are a major part of arena. I'm in my second week and probably do make some mistakes but I think we are in totally different situations here. Now, I'm sure I could better myself by kicking him off the team and getting a druid, but then I have to find a druid, and I would have to piss of a guy I've been leveling with since 45.

I hate to throw out numbers arbitrarily but I also don't like to be called out either.

Those aren't arbitrary numbers, SK-gaming is generally pretty accurate.

However, 1300 is 1300. A hunter and a shaman, even in terrible gear have PLENTY of ability to stop the other team, along with burst. You're right, you most likely won't compete at 2200+, but as I said earlier, at that level you're battling class balance, as silly mistakes/choices are not a major factor. If you're at 1300, it's because you're making bad choices and not communicating with your teammate.

key difference? no gearing/grinding/leveling issues in dota.

My friend and I run a hunter/shaman combo. He has 350 resi, I have 76...we usually run about 1500. It's about 75/25 that we'll play some newly formed team of all S3/a scrub team we destroy.

Aftering arenaing since it first came out, I can safely say that you can take a terrible comp with terrible gear to AT LEAST 1600-1700 if the players are skilled. Really no excuses.

the lack of balance in arena is probably the main reason i stopped playing wow. well, that and my play time is so gimped. i couldn't raid or do anything other than 2s, maybe 3s, but never 5s. from what i can tell, 5s is really where class makeup matters the least, which makes it the most desirable comp for me.

i knew there is no way blizzard will make any changes to balance arena in the smaller brackets, so i figured there was no reason to keep playing. im not bashing blizz, it just didn't work for what i wanted to get out of wow.

Honestly, i consider wow pvp extremely balanced. Folks need to give blizz credit.

However, i think what you are talking about is the rock-paper-scissors aspect of 2v2 and 3v3... and how some classes get ass raped more than others at these brackets (i.e. pally).

I dont consider that a lack of balance in arena. Just a limit to 2v2 and 3v3's enjoyability.

I consider that an expression of the strengths and limits of some classes. Some classes are more useful in smaller encounters, others in bigger encounters (although pally could use love in both).

That said... i also believe folks often just havent figured out how to play counters and that the player base has leaned towards simpler and more obvious setups (i.e. druid & whatever).

I've been playing a warrior forever, I have a druid, and now my priest is 70.

Arena is just getting stale, because once you're into high ratings it's just counter-comp vs. counter-comp. In general, people aren't making really stupid mistakes, so it really does come down to a class balance deciding the game, instead of the player skill, unless it's a mirror match.

I'll be checking out Age of Conan, and plan to play some interesting mixes.

IMO wow pvp is dying because it's just been turned into another e-peen grind. Skill is certainly involved in arena, however it's all about counters too (there are just more counters than i think folks want to admit or know about).

The sad part is that Blizz has the answers so close at hand yet dont act on them.

- increase halaa rewards and options, adding another halaa-type town (allegedly the expansion takes this approach)

- add another CTF map and create a CTF ladder so that larger teams and more dynamic strategy is possible (albeit, packing up with a group of skilled players could be really lame, leading to old school premade vs premade turtles in the T3 days). The goal being to allow new, larger teamplay options rather than emphasizing 2v2 and 3v3 so much.

- have a permanent insta70 realm for raw pvp, to keep players who just want to fuck around in BGs or arena.

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