inspect my tank

i don't know when i tank i ussually have 2-3 mobs on me even in heriocs and it procs alot. also i took the gem advise so i now have 510 defense rating(with no defense gems) and a little over 13 k health unbuffed.

reckoning isnt a huge threat boost, not worth the points anyways.

As long as your raid isnt awful, Avengers Shield + Ret Aura + Conse + 1/2 Judge of Bloods and people arent pulling aggro off you

reckoning isnt a huge threat boost, not worth the points anyways.

As long as your raid isnt awful, Avengers Shield + Ret Aura + Conse + 1/2 Judge of Bloods and people arent pulling aggro off you

i don't use ret aura i use devotion. open up with avengers shield and a judgement+ consecrate and i don't have hate problems anyway i like the extra 1.2 k armor. an extra 27 dmg each time i get hit doesn't seem worth giving up devotion.

Imp Dev Aura :|

i don't use ret aura i use devotion. open up with avengers shield and a judgement+ consecrate and i don't have hate problems anyway i like the extra 1.2 k armor. an extra 27 dmg each time i get hit doesn't seem worth giving up devotion.

27 damage is nothing.

Get rid of it.

DeadlyRabbits' spec is what you want. Deal with it.

faennag is clueless again

I have a 65 pally and I was forced to do some Prot simply to kill tank spots to get into 5-mans, and a friend of mine is a pally MT in a guild just starting BT so I grilled him a lot on Prot-tanking. I have seen Reckoning procl quite often but to me it's more of a struggle to tank than a warrior. In 5-mans I'd spam sunder, occasionally Heroic, Slam Shield if caster was casting or otherwise, and Revenge. It did well enough and kept aggro well. Pally you have too many buttons/spells and not as many emergency aggro options warriors too. Only time I lost aggro was to group incompetence, usually everyone took a different of a 3-mob pull.

So yeah, don't tell me I'm fuckin' clueless. I asked someone whose been doing it and doing it well enough to stand in T5 going on T6. Personally I would probably go healing/Holy at 70, I hate all the buttons you have to hit for pally tanking. That and it makes you shadowpriest chow whenever they are around.

I have a 65 pally and I was forced to do some Prot simply to kill tank spots to get into 5-mans, and a friend of mine is a pally MT in a guild just starting BT so I grilled him a lot on Prot-tanking. I have seen Reckoning procl quite often but to me it's more of a struggle to tank than a warrior. In 5-mans I'd spam sunder, occasionally Heroic, Slam Shield if caster was casting or otherwise, and Revenge. It did well enough and kept aggro well. Pally you have too many buttons/spells and not as many emergency aggro options warriors too. Only time I lost aggro was to group incompetence, usually everyone took a different of a 3-mob pull.

So yeah, don't tell me I'm fuckin' clueless. I asked someone whose been doing it and doing it well enough to stand in T5 going on T6. Personally I would probably go healing/Holy at 70, I hate all the buttons you have to hit for pally tanking. That and it makes you shadowpriest chow whenever they are around.
All the buttons? LoL

Holy Shield -> Seal of Blood -> Consecration -> Judge Blood REPEAT

THATS A TON OF BUTTONS

sorry to break it too you but I have the prot gear to tank the first few bosses of Hyjal and all of SSC. And yes, you are clueless and I am not surprised that a friend of yours is clueless also.

i don't use ret aura i use devotion. open up with avengers shield and a judgement+ consecrate and i don't have hate problems anyway i like the extra 1.2 k armor. an extra 27 dmg each time i get hit doesn't seem worth giving up devotion.

well its a bit different for me, im normally just OTing in ZA once a week, but the threat gen from Ret trying to hold Birds/Dragonhawks is invaluable, and imo the extra 851 Armor Dev Aura gives me isnt worth it.

Raid tanking as a pally tank you should be uncrushable & uncrittable. The crit part is easy and you definately have that covered. For pally tanks the uncrushable is much more difficult. Your Dodge + Block + Parry + Miss need to add up to 102.6% (extra % is because of lvl 73 mobs).

With the gear you currently have on your total avoidance is at about 62%. Throw on Holy Shield and you're at 92%. You can't count Redoubt as the last ~10% you need because it is so random.

Your hit table now looks like this:
Dodge: 22%
Parry: 13%
Block: 45%
Miss: 12%
Crushing blow: 10%
Crit: 0%

I'd concentrate on getting 10% more avoidance; this will push crushing blows off the table completely. Also, you will make your healers' jobs way easier. You can get 5% of that avoidance with the badge reward libram that gives shield block rating when holy shield is active. If you respec you can get the 5% parry from the ret tree. Also getting the shield block rating enchant on your shield will be another easy upgrade that will ensure you make it over 102.6% avoidance.

crush? take it like a maaaaaaaan (or bear)

Raid tanking as a pally tank you should be uncrushable & uncrittable. The crit part is easy and you definately have that covered. For pally tanks the uncrushable is much more difficult. Your Dodge + Block + Parry + Miss need to add up to 102.6% (extra % is because of lvl 73 mobs).

With the gear you currently have on your total avoidance is at about 62%. Throw on Holy Shield and you're at 92%. You can't count Redoubt as the last ~10% you need because it is so random.

Your hit table now looks like this:
Dodge: 22%
Parry: 13%
Block: 45%
Miss: 12%
Crushing blow: 10%
Crit: 0%

I'd concentrate on getting 10% more avoidance; this will push crushing blows off the table completely. Also, you will make your healers' jobs way easier. You can get 5% of that avoidance with the badge reward libram that gives shield block rating when holy shield is active. If you respec you can get the 5% parry from the ret tree. Also getting the shield block rating enchant on your shield will be another easy upgrade that will ensure you make it over 102.6% avoidance.

is this true, if so i'm kinda sad i just wasted all my gold on 12 stam gems.

My paly The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Onyxia&n=Deadlyrabbit)

Reckoning is fine if you are only tanking in 5 mans, as soon as you start raiding even in kara drop reckoning, it will cause too many parries from bosses and if you are undergeared it can lead to a instagib. Prince in Kara can destroy a paly fast because he has reckoning and parries and has very fast attacks (even with out reckoning stop attacking in phase 2 and just use consecrate, exorcism and holy shield to hold threat).

Well people obviously picked up on your defense being too high, if you have 490 defense you are fine, I am around 500 now which allows for specific gear based on Boss fights in 25 mans, boss fights in heroics, boss fights in regular instances, aoe trash in regular instances, aoe farming, aoe trash in SSC, aoe trash in Hyjal, not including healing sets and ret dps sets.

Once you have 490+ defense make sure you are uncrushable, you can use this macro after hitting holy shield and it will tell you.

/script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMes sage("Need 102.4 combined avoidance. Currently at:",0.8,0.8,1)
/script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMes sage(GetDodgeChance()+Get BlockChance()+GetParryCha nce()+5+(GetCombatRating( CR_DEFENSE_SKILL)*150/355 + 20)*0.04,1,0.5,0)

Or you can install this addon WoWInterface Downloads : Paladin : Tankadin (http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8052-Tankadin.html) which will tell if you are uncrushable and it will also make it clear if your righteous defense is up. Personally I don't use it, my gear upgrades don't happen that often anymore so it would just get in the way of my already crowded UI. Pally power monitors righteous defense now as well.WoWInterface Downloads : Paladin : PallyPower (http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6370-PallyPower.html)

For talent build I think most people covered it, my build works for what I do, some points can be moved around and I plan to respec and go with 3/3 Shield Specialization and drop one point from Anticipation, Shield Specialization is great because is scales with your gear.

Spell warding is something I haven't bothered with for quite some time, I looked at it this way if you get hit by spell that does 10,000 damage you take 400 less damage for 2 talent points, if you are tanking chances are you are getting hit for melee more then anything else, and if you are in a fight taking 10k off one cast chances are you are getting a pile of heals and that 400 damage will get soaked up by overheals.

Stoicism is a pvp talent more then a tanking talent, I had it for awhile and found no use for it as a tank.

Precision is a tanking talent, almost all of our abilities are hit based, not spell hit based, even avenging shield is hit based now and consecrate only has the first tick based off spell hit, and of course every swing with your weapon with seal of righteousness is a major part of your threat.

My build has floating points with Pursuit of Justice, I find 15% movement speed useful while tanking because we don't have a charge ability like warriors and druids, the 3% chance to avoid spells is a bonus (and much better then 4% less damage from spell warding). PoJ isn't a main tanking talent, it is a preference of mine.

What really gets me is how Feannag continues to post..

I didn't get his comment about too many buttons, the rotation is so simple as a blood elf, I usually go with with seal of blood -> avenging shield -> holy shield -> judgement of blood -> consecrate (if you don't have to worry about cced mobs) -> holy shield -> seal of righteousness.

Seal of blood is used to judge at the start because it is 100% hit and the judgement uses spell damage (the regular swings use attack power), after that it is all seal of righteousness and judgement of righteousness.

After initial aggro it is just holy shield, seal of righteousness, judgement of righteousness and consecrate until the fight is done. You can setup a macro and tank with 1 button if you got that lazy.

Seal of blood is used to judge at the start because it is 100% hit and the judgement uses spell damage (the regular swings use attack power), after that it is all seal of righteousness and judgement of righteousness.

I did not know this. This is good.

Also, Exor is in the rotation for demons/undead too.

im gonna link this thread to a classmate of mine that tanks with his paly.

and mistake, i also think d.hall is great :D :D

Exorcism is great with demons and undead, makes picking up the infernals on Anetheron and grabbing Supremus after phase shift much easier.

Suggest you take deadlyrabbit's advice. Him and one of Araya's friend MT's for just about every boss (either him or Tribeard - our MT prot warrior).

DR is very seasoned/experienced from 10s up until Hyjal BT. I also know he will know his shit for every single boss that he has to tank. He does have the luxury of being on the first list of those that pick up tanking pieces - him and our MT both.

Edit: That is, if you want to skip the theorycraft. Last I know, he has all the paly tanking stuff right before T6 and MTs many different bosses and OTs many different trash for Hyjal and BT.

INSPECT MY NUTSs

They changed how the taunt works in 2.4, the new macro that is needed to taunt a mob off NPCs as well a players, this is very important in Hyjal trash when you are trying to save as many NPCs as possible.

#showtooltip
/cast [help][target=targettarget] Righteous Defense; Righteous Defense

Macro I started using in 25mans when we had more palys then blessings in the to remove salv when I use holy shield, I use rank 1 holy shield a lot because it still gives you 30% chance to block but costs less mana, it does cause less holy damage but in some fights using rank 1 holy shield allows you to keep using rank 6 consecrate which does a lot more threat.

Highest rank holy shield
#showtooltip Holy Shield
/cast Holy Shield
/cancelaura Greater Blessing of Salvation
/cancelaura Blessing of Salvation

Rank 1 Holy shield
#showtooltip holy shield(rank 1)
/cast Holy Shield(Rank 1)
/cancelaura Greater Blessing of Salvation
/cancelaura Blessing of Salvation

Okay smart ass, so how does it work with Alliance pallies who don't have access to Seal/Judgement of Blood?