Just got back to wow

Since pre BC

Now I had a look at the talents for a lock, and decided that for someone who rarely dabbled in PVP (PVE server LOL), and is raiding with a fairly noobish bunch of people (Gruuls right now) - Would you consider this a good build?

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IVMrVRfkVLZ0xZxx0 tr0z)

I was under the impression UA was the best raiding build until you had the hit/crit from T6 to support a destro build, but I could be wrong :shrug:

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you will still be better than a mage

hey as a mage I can still beat really, really stupid demonology locks who are afk.

what about not so stupid demonology locks who are afk?

their pet is not set on passive and therefore win


something like this is u wanna spam shadow bolts
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IZbxcdIzzZEx0tr0t 0zA)

its either that or dots.

I was under the impression UA was the best raiding build until you had the hit/crit from T6 to support a destro build, but I could be wrong :shrug:

yup, UA til t6, then 34103872123871283 dps with shadow bolts, ftw.

The World of Warcraft Armory (http://armory.worldofwarcraft.co m/character-sheet.xml?r=Onyxia&n=Blotter)

hes not tier 6, blotter rapes raid dps

The World of Warcraft Armory (http://armory.wow-europe.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Bloodfeather&n=Malnata)

This fellow did 1800 dps on VR last night. With 50% dps time. With 2 spells, Shadowbolt and Curse of Doom.

In PvP gear there though. He ain't got no T6 dawg.

The World of Warcraft Armory (http://armory.wow-europe.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Bloodfeather&n=Malnata)

This fellow did 1800 dps on VR last night. With 50% dps time. With 2 spells, Shadowbolt and Curse of Doom.

In PvP gear there though. He ain't got no T6 dawg.

That is 100% bullshit, especially with 41 hit and just over 1k damage. Please show me that wws log

The World of Warcraft Armory (http://armory.worldofwarcraft.co m/character-sheet.xml?r=Onyxia&n=Blotter)

hes not tier 6, blotter rapes raid dps

He might not have tier 6 pieces, but the badge gear and za gear have item levels close enough. He has very nice gear, nice enough to support destruction

You don't need T6 to go destruction, you just need to be over the hit cap (I don't know what this number is off the top of my head).

Here are some web stats links from Skillz that Killz, this is our second week in BT and 3rd in Hyjal so you can check out what our locks do and check their armory for their builds. We don't have the best geared people, but our progress is good considering we have only recently added a 3rd night in 25 mans, (we raid for or 3 hours or less each of those nights).

BT Naj'entus, Supremus, Shade of Akama
Wow Web Stats (http://wowwebstats.com/oe61w1owpexmm)

Hyjal Rage, Anetheron, Kaz'roga
Wow Web Stats (http://wowwebstats.com/wsct1cjdztu51)

SSC all except vashj
Wow Web Stats (http://wowwebstats.com/q4fuxox2eqkte)

Warlocks have a 202 hit cap.

Go affliction until you have the gear to get you as close to 202 hit as possible.

Warlocks should gear for hit, then shadow damage, then crit. When you get to badge/t6 land you can get haste.

At a low gear level, it's better to get Unstable Affliction versus Ruin because your crits will not out damage UA.

At your gear and progresion level, affliction will probably be your best bet. Never overwrite your dots, always have them up. Don't use Siphon Life because it's DPS is half that of other dots.

Go affliction with something like this: WorldofWarcraft.com -> Info -> Classes -> Warlock -> Talent Calculator (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warlock/talents.html?tal=55002024 0223010551031000000000000 0000000000505000512200000 000000)
Cast curse of shadows to help the raid out. If someone else is casting CoS use curse of elements to help your your mages, if someone else is casting that use agony or doom. Fuck the melee, they don't get recklessness :p


When you get gear to give you hit you can go destruction, i used this shadow destruction build:
WorldofWarcraft.com -> Info -> Classes -> Warlock -> Talent Calculator (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warlock/talents.html?tal=00000000 0000000000000125003013320 0100000000555000512200511 030050)
With gear you can acheive 10k crits. LOL

My lock is 65 right now I and I was thinking about going for SM Ruin build, until I thought about how I don't plan to raid in any major way on the lock, and pugging 5 mans and heroics already forces me to wait until a mob is a 90% health before I can cast a single shadow bolt, and even then I can't spam them without pulling aggro. I will probably end up with a build very similar to what Rebel posted. remember that UA has a spell damage coefficient of 120% which is why it works well in pve.

You don't need T6 to go destruction, you just need to be over the hit cap (I don't know what this number is off the top of my head).

Here are some web stats links from Skillz that Killz, this is our second week in BT and 3rd in Hyjal so you can check out what our locks do and check their armory for their builds. We don't have the best geared people, but our progress is good considering we have only recently added a 3rd night in 25 mans, (we raid for or 3 hours or less each of those nights).

BT Naj'entus, Supremus, Shade of Akama
Wow Web Stats (http://wowwebstats.com/oe61w1owpexmm)

Hyjal Rage, Anetheron, Kaz'roga
Wow Web Stats (http://wowwebstats.com/wsct1cjdztu51)

SSC all except vashj
Wow Web Stats (http://wowwebstats.com/q4fuxox2eqkte)

Man am I the only person that raids Fury anymore? :( Almost never see Fury warriors on WWS

Warlocks should gear for hit, then shadow damage, then crit.
At my (low) gear level, hit is slightly less effective than +dmg and +shadow dmg. I suggest plugging your own numbers into the warlock spreadsheet, or treating them as roughly equal at the T4 level.


Don't use Siphon Life because it's DPS is half that of other dots.
This is wrong-headed. The determining factor should be whether you have something better to spend 1.5 seconds on. Siphon Life is better damage per second of cast time than Shadow Bolt for me, so I use it.

Man am I the only person that raids Fury anymore? :( Almost never see Fury warriors on WWS

Because 33/28 provides more to the raid, has less of a gear requirement, and is way more fun to play.

At my (low) gear level, hit is slightly less effective than +dmg and +shadow dmg. I suggest plugging your own numbers into the warlock spreadsheet, or treating them as roughly equal at the T4 level.

This is wrong-headed. The determining factor should be whether you have something better to spend 1.5 seconds on. Siphon Life is better damage per second of cast time than Shadow Bolt for me, so I use it.

Hit is worth more per point than any other stat. You're going to have more +damage than hit so you can think by simply stacking damage and hope that your hits/crits outweigh the severe loss of DPS you're getting from missing your target. Hit cap is only effective against raid bosses, it's not needed as much on trash. You may not be able to reach 202 hit cap at your gear level but you can start building up for it. Having an automatic 17% chance to miss your target with 0% hit, versus a 1% chance to miss your target with 202 hit is a substantial DPS difference.

If you theorycraft, or read people who theorycraft, you will find that Siphon Life isn't as effective per cast as other spells you could be using. Especially if your raid is nearing the 40 debuff limit. To really let SL shine you have to have it applied to several targets. It simply doesn't put out the damage as another DoT/Curse. Most dots are around the 150 DPS range, more or less pending your gear choice. Siphon Life is about 60-80 DPS. Now these numbers may be off, i haven't been Affliction in a while.

If you're at a "low" gear level I would think it'd be safe to assume to listen from someone who has more experience and has done more research than you. If you're affliction and have suppression you might not think hit is a big deal because you have 10% +hit from your talents, and as affliction shadow bolts are only ~40% of your damage, so missing a shadow bolt is less noticeable.

That is 100% bullshit, especially with 41 hit and just over 1k damage. Please show me that wws log

Wow Web Stats (http://wowwebstats.com/oaxdljssn2zoq?s=10406-10736)

As I said it's showing his PvP gear atm. But he doesn't have any T6 or T5 (except maybe shoulders, can't remember.)

Man am I the only person that raids Fury anymore? :( Almost never see Fury warriors on WWS

See my previous post, the warrior is me. I've been switching from arms/fury the past weeks. Do about equal dps on stationary bosses but of course blood frenzy brings the shit.