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Man am I the only person that raids Fury anymore? :( Almost never see Fury warriors on WWS

Jiv is our fury warrior, Kowbell is arms, although not because he wants to be only because we wanted a arms warrior for what they give the raid.

I don't know shit all about warriors so if somebody wants to explain the benefit of a arms warrior go ahead.

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As I said it's showing his PvP gear atm. But he doesn't have any T6 or T5 (except maybe shoulders, can't remember.)

uh, he didn't miss a single shadow bolt and had a 46% crit with a max bolt of 8700, he has pretty decent gear

you made it sound like he did 1800dps in the gear he's currently wearing

uh, he didn't miss a single shadow bolt and had a 46% crit with a max bolt of 8700, he has pretty decent gear

you made it sound like he did 1800dps in the gear he's currently wearing

Pretty sure I said it showed him in his PvP gear, but whatever. Point is he's not T6.

thanks to 2.4 you can get t6 level gear without ever stepping foot into a t6 raid!

thanks to 2.4 you can get t6 level gear without ever stepping foot into a t6 raid!

And which vendor would that be, or are you implying that's the Anvil/Forge badge vendor with all the new epic gear?

If you theorycraft, or read people who theorycraft, you will find that Siphon Life isn't as effective per cast as other spells you could be using. Especially if your raid is nearing the 40 debuff limit. To really let SL shine you have to have it applied to several targets. It simply doesn't put out the damage as another DoT/Curse. Most dots are around the 150 DPS range, more or less pending your gear choice. Siphon Life is about 60-80 DPS. Now these numbers may be off, i haven't been Affliction in a while.

If you're at a "low" gear level I would think it'd be safe to assume to listen from someone who has more experience and has done more research than you.
I am willing to listen to my betters, but that also includes voices other than yours. You have a fair point about the debuff limit, and I'll agree that if you have enough targets that you can cast only Corruption and UA on all of them and never be idle, then dropping Siphon Life is a fine idea. But considering the DPS of a DoT as you are makes no sense. If I can spend one global cooldown and get 5k damage over 30 seconds or 4k damage over 12 seconds, the 5k damage is the better choice even though it is lower DPS. It's damage per second of cast time that matters, and siphon life scores better than shadowbolt on that count, so it gets priority.

And which vendor would that be, or are you implying that's the Anvil/Forge badge vendor with all the new epic gear?

yes, the gear has the same item level of stuff found in mt hyjal and black temple

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As I said it's showing his PvP gear atm. But he doesn't have any T6 or T5 (except maybe shoulders, can't remember.)

so this guy lives 2.5 minutes, cast 47 shadow bolts, and 4 curses of doom. 22 of those bolts were crits, That's not smart dps, that's burst & by chance getting his crits out of the way early and dying so his peak dps is captured. He didn't live long enough to spread out his damage. With that many crits out of the way so early ISB was probably up the majority of his life, extra 20% damage. If he doesn't have and t5/t6, i can guarantee you that he's not putting anywhere near 1,800 dps on a fight that he actually survives.

I am willing to listen to my betters, but that also includes voices other than yours. You have a fair point about the debuff limit, and I'll agree that if you have enough targets that you can cast only Corruption and UA on all of them and never be idle, then dropping Siphon Life is a fine idea. But considering the DPS of a DoT as you are makes no sense. If I can spend one global cooldown and get 5k damage over 30 seconds or 4k damage over 12 seconds, the 5k damage is the better choice even though it is lower DPS. It's damage per second of cast time that matters, and siphon life scores better than shadowbolt on that count, so it gets priority.

My opinion is formed from personal experience all the way from Kara to Brutallus, and that of several theorycrafting sites and top world guild's opinion. They, along with personal experience show that SL isn't an effective spell to use in a warlock's rotation. I'm not attacking your play style, by all means cast SL if you want to...

Would you mind posting your armory link?

so this guy lives 2.5 minutes, cast 47 shadow bolts, and 4 curses of doom. 22 of those bolts were crits, That's not smart dps, that's burst & by chance getting his crits out of the way early and dying so his peak dps is captured. He didn't live long enough to spread out his damage. With that many crits out of the way so early ISB was probably up the majority of his life, extra 20% damage. If he doesn't have and t5/t6, i can guarantee you that he's not putting anywhere near 1,800 dps on a fight that he actually survives.

The remainder of the time he dodged orbs, he didn't die during the fight.

Also badge vendor isn't up on our server yet. His gear is a mix of ZA and early SSC/TK + crafts I think.

Ed: Probably some pieces of merciless/vengeful in his raid gear too.

The remainder of the time he dodged orbs, he didn't die during the fight.

Also badge vendor isn't up on our server yet. His gear is a mix of ZA and early SSC/TK + crafts I think.

Ed: Probably some pieces of merciless/vengeful in his raid gear too.One parse where Jesus himself was rolling for him is not a good indicator of overall performance.

Would you mind posting your armory link?
Yes, but here: I have 2 green quality gems. I have 2 gems with +crit. I have a stam armor kit on my boots and a +15 hit enchant on my gloves. I have a 1433 arena rating. The one 25-man raid I've been to, I did about 400 DPS with my lock chasing around infernals and my priest got cleaved by Magtheridon.

I fail to see what the shortcomings of my character or myself as a player have to do with it being better to spend 1.5 seconds for 3000 damage than to spend 2.5 seconds for it. What theorycraft sites are you referring to? I'm only aware of Elitist Jerks really, which seems to hold an opinion contrary to yours.

Man am I the only person that raids Fury anymore? :( Almost never see Fury warriors on WWS

Are you like, blind?

We have 1-2 fury warriors all the time. We prefer 1 and 1 but zeph is a bitch sometimes.

One parse where Jesus himself was rolling for him is not a good indicator of overall performance.

Pulled 1530 on Rage Winterchill the other night - was getting massive strings of 8-10 straight crits with rapidfire rocking. It was pretty sick. Am still rocking a lot of T4 pieces too.

We're probably the most anti-hunter guild in the world. I have never gotten GoA in any raids let alone LotP. Caster heavy FTL :(

One parse where Jesus himself was rolling for him is not a good indicator of overall performance.

You're right he may have gotten lucky. He is usually around 1400. That's still pretty nice imo.

yes, the gear has the same item level of stuff found in mt hyjal and black temple

What's that highest item level now? Like 112-something? The only stuff I hear about the new gear is specifically that, the item level means more stats/abilities. Doesn't seem geared to either PvE or PvP, but I guess when it's more stats around the board it matters less. Least until S3/T7 roll around.

What's that highest item level now? Like 112-something? The only stuff I hear about the new gear is specifically that, the item level means more stats/abilities. Doesn't seem geared to either PvE or PvP, but I guess when it's more stats around the board it matters less. Least until S3/T7 roll around.

Every day you amaze me with some other facet to your idiocy.

Jiv is our fury warrior, Kowbell is arms, although not because he wants to be only because we wanted a arms warrior for what they give the raid.

I don't know shit all about warriors so if somebody wants to explain the benefit of a arms warrior go ahead.Being arms is gay, but I do it anyways. TEAM PLAYER RIGHT HERE!

Yes, but here: I have 2 green quality gems. I have 2 gems with +crit. I have a stam armor kit on my boots and a +15 hit enchant on my gloves. I have a 1433 arena rating. The one 25-man raid I've been to, I did about 400 DPS with my lock chasing around infernals and my priest got cleaved by Magtheridon.

I fail to see what the shortcomings of my character or myself as a player have to do with it being better to spend 1.5 seconds for 3000 damage than to spend 2.5 seconds for it. What theorycraft sites are you referring to? I'm only aware of Elitist Jerks really, which seems to hold an opinion contrary to yours.

I never meant to insult you, I can remember when I didn't know what a DoT was and had no idea how to play my class...i'm not saying you're an idiot either.

I read up more on EJ and they say to use SL in a rotation, but then i searched and remebered Nihilum's 25man raiding write up states this:

The rotation in Affliction commonly used is as follows: CoS/E/A-> UA-> Corruption-> Immolate-> Shadow Bolt until first dots fade and then reapply and continue nuking SB. Don't bother using Siphon Life unless damage input is large and you need healing from it. For pure dps, it's not that good and you're better off dropping it from your rotation. Also, always cast Immolate regardless of the fact you probably have more shadow than fire damage bonus on gear. It's still a very powerful spell and should always be a part of your rotation. Also, there is a misconception that Drain Life is a viable part of an Affliction rotation. It couldn't be further from truth, DL should be cast only in situations when you desperately need health and HS/pots are on a CD. If you did everything right, Shadow Bolt should be 50-60% of your total damage. It's vital to squeeze out as many casts as possible rather have a second or two without a dot tick than 1 SB less.

This game is made so that there is never ONE way to do anything. You can always shake things up and do whatever suits you best. Everywhere I read I get different results, especially from theorycrafting software and addons. Whatever works best for you, do it.

:)

and as affliction shadow bolts are only ~40% of your damage, so missing a shadow bolt is less noticeable.

ONLY 40%...