Druid tanking shit - Resilience vs Defense and threat gear scaling

OK keep in mind I just hit 70 like 1-2 weeks ago and am gearing up for Kara.

Got an epic off normal MgT last night, had resilience on it. So I decided to do some research...
Defense - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft (http://www.wowwiki.com/Defense)
Druids need 415 Defense to be uncrittable. Is it feasible to drop some defense skill for resilience? Druids can't parry nor block(also given by defense skill), so the only thing that matters are pushing crits off the table.

I swapped some gear around yesterday; it put me at 407 defense and 38 resil, but gave me more armor and more HP. Running this script
/script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMes sage(2.6-(GetCombatRatingBonus(CR_ DEFENSE_SKILL)*.04+GetCom batRatingBonus(CR_CRIT_TA KEN_MELEE)),1,0.5,0)

found off the wow wiki site gave me about -20 (anything under 0 is supposed to be good(uncrittable))

Is there a catch to using Resilience instead of Defense? Seems like you need less resilience than defense rating to hit uncrittable. If the above script is right, I could drop some more defense rating off my gear and still be uncrittable.


question 2: how does threat scale with gear? one of my main concerns when gearing up was dropping AP/str for sta agi and defense(i asked about enchanting Savagery on the weapon and got told to slap +35 agi instead). I used to rely on damage to increase threat generation, but i noticed as the gear progresses, there's not much +str added onto the gear. Hence by logic, doing the mangle lacerate rotation at my level would net almost the same threat generation as a fully geared Kara druid. I think I'm wrong in assuming such(i'd hope so too). Just eyeballing Omen in normal instances, I have about 600-800 tps depending on crits. How well am I doing?


The World of Warcraft Armory (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Dragonmaw&n=Kyrio)

Me. any gear advice?

Doesn't defense give dodge as well? I could image resilience being a good placeholder stat until you get a better item with defense...

But I don't really know too much about druids so I could be wrong. I've seen warriors in full PVP gear attempting to tank in Kara and it fails pretty hard.

Res will make you uncritable for cheaper BUT defense adds to your dodge, plus using pvp gear will gimp you on agi

you want to stack the shit out of agi and stam, you have to dodge since you can be crushed

as far as your gear, it's enough to tank all the regular 5 mans and maybe off tank a little bit of kara stuff

start stocking up on badges, there is some REALLY nice shit for druid tanks, since the gear doesn't really drop from most instances

get the belt of natural power crafted now that vortexs are not bop

also grind ce rep for the earthwarden and the revered necklace

as far as your gear, it's enough to tank all the regular 5 mans and maybe off tank a little bit of kara stuff

start stocking up on badges, there is some REALLY nice shit for druid tanks, since the gear doesn't really drop from most instances

get the belt of natural power crafted now that vortexs are not bop

also grind ce rep for the earthwarden and the revered necklace

hate hate hate hate ce instances aklsdhlaksdhaskdasd

the resi gear i was talking about was Cloak of Blade Turning - Items - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34810) ... my first epic if you don't count the lvl 60 mount =p so by principle, i have to use this hur hur. yep, currently stocking up on badges.

what're the heroics i can tank with this gear?

edit: wtf double post

there are no leather items with defense. you should keep that minus 2.6% to be crit before you start going for any other stats. it doesn't matter how you get it resil or defense.

threat really isn't an issue at all for druids. i wouldn't worry about it.

A few things:

1) More Dodge. Lots more dodge. Get Agi on boots and gloves. Get 6 to stats on chest instead of 150 hp. Get 35 agi on weapon. Get a Clefthoof leg kit.

Druids mitigate in 3 ways. Dodge, Armor, HP. Dodge is 100% mitigation. Get up to about 40-45% unbuffed dodge and you are golden to tank anything up to 25 mans easily. I don't do many 25 mans on my druid but in kara/za I generally am running 65% dodge rate.

2) Easy items to aquire:
Badge of Tenacity - Items - World of Warcraft (http://wowhead.com/?item=32658) 600-1k gold if buying. You can farm them easily enough given time.

Earthwarden - Wowhead Search (http://wowhead.com/?search=Earthwarden) (I use strangle staff for tanking, most druids prefer this for the expertise and armor)

Idol of Terror - Items - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33509) Easy 20 badges, procs like mad. Gives you armor, crit and dodge.

Vestments of Hibernation - Items - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33579) 75 badges.
or
Embrace of Everlasting Prowess - Items - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34906) for 100 badges.


3) Dodge vs Armor

Long ago I used to run at the armor cap. I ditched a lot of my armor rating and even lost some of my hp and went with a much more dodge heavy gear set. The difference was amazing. My healers get bored when I tank now. This doesn't apply for anything above kara/za, but for up to there I highly suggest going dodge over armor...though you still need to get a good armor rating. I only run 25k or so armor now.

4) Defense vs Resilience

As long as you are uncrittable you can just look at your other stats to decide on which to go with. Defense gives you dodge where resilience does not, but most of your resilience will come from pvp items which are stacked with agi. I tank with a lot more resilience than defense.


Did I mention get more dodge yet?

2) Easy items to aquire:
Badge of Tenacity - Items - World of Warcraft (http://wowhead.com/?item=32658) 600-1k gold if buying. You can farm them easily enough given time.


motherfucking saw this on the AH for 550G, still kicking myself for not buying it

whoa what

holy shit i can scroll over that link and it pops up with stats lol

how does druid tank works? What type of spells does druid use to hold agro.. i was planning on leveling a tnaking druid but it seem like hard.

Mangle, Lacerate, Swipe and Maul.

Before Mangle, you just have to use Maul, Swipe and feral faerie fire.

Feral levelling is fine. Pounce, shred, shred, claw, ferocious bite, claw, move on to the next thing, pop out to heal in between mobs as needed.

if you want to be a serious full time tank, just roll a warrior, druids are cool for a hybrid spec and can do decent dps when not offtanking stuff

I've seen warriors in full PVP gear attempting to tank in Kara and it fails pretty hard.

druids can get away with a little more pvp gear because all they can do is dodge anyways. Defense lets warriors parry, block and dodge all in one. Plus warriors need a lot more defense than a druid and have less hp/armor.

Your main concerns should be:

1. Uncrittable

2. Uncrushable

Uncrittable you seem to already know.

Uncrushable is a little harder, I'm not familiar with druid tanking at all.
But it should be similar to other tanks in that essentially you need to reach some % in avoidance to be uncrushable.

Try elitist jerks forum, they should have a in depth thread about druid tanking.
Feral Druid Preraid Tank Gear Guide - Elitist Jerks (http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t17794-feral_druid_preraid_tank_ gear_guide/)
Feral Druid Megathread - Elitist Jerks (http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t16902-feral_druid_megathread/)

druid tanks cannot become uncrushable, ever

if you want to be a serious full time tank, just roll a warrior, druids are cool for a hybrid spec and can do decent dps when not offtanking stuff

There are advantages to druids tanking over warriors and visa versa.

The main advantage of a druid over a warrior is dps. A druid tank counts as a dps'er because of the damage output we can maintain. A warrior can't compete in that area. This can be very advantageous in 5 mans and 10 mans.

On the overall I'd give the advantage to the warriors, but many fights/instances out there are easier with druids tanking.

Off tanking is truly where we shine though. Because, as I mentioned in my previous post, I've geared for more dodge than armor tanking I can go cat form and pump out some pretty good dps when I need to since I run high agility. I'm not positive off of the top of my head of the exact numbers...but in my tanking gear in cat form I have around 3k ap and 40% crit. I can also shift out and throw on my healing mace/offhand/idol and backup heal quite well if needed.

Your main concerns should be:

1. Uncrittable

2. Uncrushable

Uncrittable you seem to already know.

Uncrushable is a little harder, I'm not familiar with druid tanking at all.
But it should be similar to other tanks in that essentially you need to reach some % in avoidance to be uncrushable.

Try elitist jerks forum, they should have a in depth thread about druid tanking.
Feral Druid Preraid Tank Gear Guide - Elitist Jerks (http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t17794-feral_druid_preraid_tank_ gear_guide/)
Feral Druid Megathread - Elitist Jerks (http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t16902-feral_druid_megathread/)


Druids can't be uncrushable. We have to use our armor/hp to eat the crushes.

ah ok

I stand corrected

<3

if only druids had a better "oh shit" button than frenzied regen