Assistance Required

boknowstribes
03-04-2008, 11:02 PM
I'll start off by saying that I am a complete newb when it comes to fitness and healthly living in general. I have not read every single post there is in this sub forum, however I have gone through most of the links within the Compile Useful Resources (http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=496958) thread that is stickied. From the information provided here or else (through links in various threads) I'm able to work out an adequate diet plan, with emphasis on Zone Diet - Welcome to life in the Zone > Home (http://www.zonediet.com) & the Fitness Grocery List (http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=481846) thread.

What I'm ultimately hoping for is assistance with my workout plan. Now, under normal circumstances, this would be easy. I'd just refer to the Guide to Novice Barbell Training, aka the Official RIPPETOE-STARTING STRENGTH FAQ - Bodybuilding.com Forums (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=998224) FAQ and I'd have everything put out before me. However, the gym I use (which is at work and is both free and convenient) is severly lacking in regards to appropriate equipment (There is not a single barbell and set of free weights in this gym; It is strictly dumbbells and lever/pulley based weight machines). Using the guidline in the Rippetoe Starting Strength FAQ and information that I have found on ExRx (Exercise Prescription) on the Net (http://exrx.net/index.html) I've come up with an alternate workout plan. Please advice:

I'm 6 foot 1, 180lbs with most of my fat found in my midsection. My goal is to shed that fat and build muscle mass (I'm a scrawny thing right now). I planned on working cardio into my workout days at the end of the session and then do about 45mins to an hours worth of cardio on the off days (Tues, Thurs, maybe Sat). My workout day would look something like this:

Warmup
Stretch
Workout
Cardio

For the core muscles, I plan on fitting in ab workouts into each workout day with some crunches and leg raises.

Workout A
3x5 Squat (Dumbbell Squat (http://exrx.net/WeightExercises/GluteusMaximus/DBSquat.html))
3x5 Bench Press (Dumbbell Bench Press (http://exrx.net/WeightExercises/PectoralSternal/DBBenchPress.html))
1x5 Dumbbell Step-up (Dumbbell Step-up (http://exrx.net/WeightExercises/GluteusMaximus/DBStepUp.html) - To replace the Deadlift...)

Workout B
3x5 Squat (Dumbbell Squat (http://exrx.net/WeightExercises/GluteusMaximus/DBSquat.html))
3x5 Dumbell Should Press (Dumbbell Shoulder Press (http://exrx.net/WeightExercises/DeltoidAnterior/DBShoulderPress.html))
3x5 Power cleans (I don't know what to substitute for this...suggestions?)

I plan on following a Mon(A), Wed(B), Fri(A) workout schedule while alternating workout A and B every 2 weeks. I do plan on adding a few more exercises once I'm comfortable with the set above. My main concern is that I won't be reaching the greatest gains that I should be if I had a barbell and proper weights to perform the Squats, Deadlifts, Military Presses, etc. Should I add additional exercises for a particular muscle group if the dumbbell versions of some of the exercises aren't going to produce enough of a gain? Should I increase the number of sets or reps, or both, as well?

Again, as I mentioned above, under normal circumstances with a well equipped gym, this wouldn't be an issue, but I'd like to see what I can make do with the gym I have access to.

Denver
03-05-2008, 04:31 AM
What we'd need to know is your goals with this program. and is this all you do.
Assuming you got your diet right and all that, I recon you'd still want to do some cardio. And I don't see that many excerices for the core muscles in your plan. Which in my opinnion if you have poor core muscles to begin with might lead into very bad postures while doing fex. squats.
So if I had to start all over again I'd strenghten the core some to make sure I can do every excercise in correct posture (which is very very important).

boknowstribes
03-05-2008, 08:13 AM
Alright...I'll edit this into the original post...

I'm 6 foot 1, 180lbs with most of my fat found in my midsection. My goal is to shed that fat and build muscle mass (I'm a scrawny thing right now). I planned on working cardio into my workout days at the end of the session and then do about 45mins to an hours worth of cardio on the off days (Tues, Thurs, maybe Sat). My workout day would look something like this:

Warmup
Stretch
Workout
Cardio

For the core muscles, I plan on fitting in ab workouts into each workout day with some crunches and leg raises. As for the rest of the core muscles, it was my understanding that these would be in some way exercised during a few of the above exercises. From what I've read, since the lower back is prone to injury, you don't want to over do it, and the ass is worked out in squats and step-ups. I hope I understand the core muscles properly...

Rayn
03-05-2008, 08:21 AM
I'm really concerned with the lack of barbells. Dumbell exercises are harder to do and harder to maintain proper form, and they also don't have very high weights available. For instance, your squats will quickly go over 200 lbs on this program and I'm not sure how you will continue to progress at that point.

I'm also concerned with the lack of deadlift. I'm not sure a dumbbell step up is going to compare, but I have no suggestion for something you could do with dumbbells instead.

For your day B I would do the following:
Workout B
3x5 Squat (Dumbbell Squat)
3x5 Dumbell Should Press (Dumbbell Shoulder Press)
3x5 Bent over Row (Dumbbell Bent-over Row (http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/BackGeneral/DBBentOverRow.html))

The military press (shoulder press) and power clean are usually interchanged in this program (I think that's what the write up says - I did press instead of power clean when I did this program) depending on if the trainee is playing something like football where hip strength is more important (power cleans, very good for hip strength) or trying to develop the upper mantle.

Looks like you did some good research, good job. I'd consider trying to find a gym with barbells in the future if you wind up plateauing in a few months.

The other B day exercise is supposed to be a pendlay barbell row, but the bent over row is pretty similar and a good exercise.

boknowstribes
03-05-2008, 08:54 AM
Thanks for the input, Rayn.

I share the same concerns about plateauing too quickly and will be enquiring about increasing our facilities equipment. If that doesn't work, then I will be forced into buying a gym pass.

Now that you mention that the power clean and military press are interchangable, I do remember seeing that elsewhere. Thats a good point and seeing as I'd like to focus more on the upper mantle, I'll stick with the shoulder press. I also had the bent over row in my list of exercises to possibly do, so seeing you add that into Workout B is perfect.

I'll give this a shot and hopefully all will work out with getting a proper set of equipment.