Horrible advice you've heard from reputable sources

We all read these things or hear these things looking in musclefag and hanging out in gyms:

"if you want to get rid of love handles you have to do hyperextensions"

"[if you want to lose weight you must] eat breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince, and supper like a pauper"

"there's no such thing as overtraining, just under-eating and under-resting"

Leg presses are as beneficial as squats.

"I don't need cardio I'm just trying to tone up"

Pushups with a backp.....oh wait....reputable.

Leg presses are as beneficial as squats.

hahahahaha


the famous "getting lean is more about targeting muscle groups then cardio"

you CAN'T target different parts of a muscle by doing different kinds of exercises.

eg. hammer curls, vs preacher curls etc etc. or Upper pec vs lower pec

you can target different parts of a muscle by doing different kinds of exercises.

eg. hammer curls, vs preacher curls etc etc. or Upper pec vs lower pec

lol but you can dude...

certain exercises put more stress on certain fibers of the muscle than others. Do bicep curls with wide grip then close grip tell me it's the same move...

or even more laughable, do decline dumbell chest press then incline.

Why do more than one exercise if they all hit the muscle the same?

You can hold your breath more efficiently if you hyperventilate your lungs with oxygen and blow off carbon dioxide, therefore extending the amount of time you can hold your breath without your chemoreceptors noticing the build-up of carbon dioxide in your blood.

Oh wait...

lol but you can dude...

certain exercises put more stress on certain fibers of the muscle than others. Do bicep curls with wide grip then close grip tell me it's the same move...

or even more laughable, do decline dumbell chest press then incline.

Why do more than one exercise if they all hit the muscle the same?

wow could not be more wrong...

are you telling me that you could do sittups that make you "upper" abs bigger and sittups that make you "lower" abs bigger? Well the answer to that is no, go ask anyone who knows about anatomy.

The reason for different grips/ exercises is it targets different muscle GROUPS, don't different parts of the muscle.

Leg presses are as beneficial as squats.

:lol: this is the winner so far.

"I don't need cardio I'm just trying to tone up"

meh maybe they want to gain some muscle and don't care about the little extra fat they have (duh, fat is healthy)

you can target different parts of a muscle by doing different kinds of exercises.

eg. hammer curls, vs preacher curls etc etc. or Upper pec vs lower pec

i don't know enough about this but it would be nice to see a source if you're going to say something like that. i mean aren't people's lower abs different than their upper abs.

and mine:

steroids cause cancer

wow could not be more wrong...

are you telling me that you could do sittups that make you "upper" abs bigger and sittups that make you "lower" abs bigger? Well the answer to that is no, go ask anyone who knows about anatomy.

The reason for different grips/ exercises is it targets different muscle GROUPS, don't different parts of the muscle.

you're a big idiot lol

please don't be a dumb nerd about working out thank you

Leg presses are as beneficial as squats.

I can't squat...:(

you're a big idiot lol

please don't be a dumb nerd about working out thank you

so what is the verdict between you two?

b/c i have no idea
and id like to know whats right

using machines is safer than free weights

use the smith machine for anything

wow could not be more wrong...

are you telling me that you could do sittups that make you "upper" abs bigger and sittups that make you "lower" abs bigger? Well the answer to that is no, go ask anyone who knows about anatomy.

The reason for different grips/ exercises is it targets different muscle GROUPS, don't different parts of the muscle.

if you truly believe what you're saying, do decline bench and no other sort of bench press and see what your chest ends up looking like


and "there's no such thing as overtraining, just under-eating and under-resting" is actually true

this thread is confusing

and "there's no such thing as overtraining, just under-eating and under-resting" is actually trueit's pretty fucking false.

put down your musclefags and read something substantial.

it's pretty fucking false.

put down your musclefags and read something substantial.

Can you explain how it's false, or are you just going to demand I explain how it's true? I will if you do.

It's all about recovery time.

so what is the verdict between you two?

b/c i have no idea
and id like to know whats right

The most important thing to understand about this debate is that it is completely irrelevant. We are in complete agreement that you need to do more than one exercise for each muscle group which is the practical side of this argument. The reason why is a technical issue which I am obviously correct on but it still doesn't matter.

As far as overtraining, it is semi-correct that there is only under-resting and poor nutrition. UNLESS you have crossed into the threshold of an injury. Of course there is a huge gray area between injury and "effective micro-trauma". As long as you have really good form I wouldn't worry about overtraining but I would definitely make sure you have adequate rest (a full week on a given muscle group is almost always enough) and nutrition. Now a full week's rest means 7 days of 8 hours+ sleep a night, and not over using those muscles during daily activity. If you have to do even light lifting at work (stocking etc) and only get 6-7 hours, then you might need to ease up in the gym as you might not be recovering in a full week and I think it would be detrimental to spread your workouts out more than a week. On the other hand I know a guy with insomnia that works out like a maniac, so I think your body can adapt eventually.

Leg presses are as beneficial as squats.

There's a machine in the gym I go to that can change between a squat and a leg press, like this one:

http://www.bodypowerusa.com/bodysolidpics1/images/GLPH1100_Leg%20Press.jpg

Would that type of squat get me the same result as using a barbell squat?