Jestah
08-30-2007, 08:03 AM
I've been training a couple of times a week for the last 6 weeks or so.
My training partner has been going for a couple of years and has pretty much sorted my plan and does all my instructing.
My right shoulder always clicks (sometimes painfully) on upright rows, so I always stop doing the exercise, ive tried doing it with just the metal bar instead of weighted, but my shoulder still clicks........ hell I gave it a go with the wooden stick this week just to get the movement, but again I click painfully.
A friend has suggested oil tablets for the joint....... I'm pretty sure my technique is right... anyone had this problem / got advice?
Clever
08-30-2007, 08:11 AM
How wide is your grip when doing them? Upright rows are an iffy exercise b/c they will lead to shoulder pain in a lot of people. IMHO the benefits of them do not outweigh the costs for most.
Make sure you are using a wide grip (wider then shoulder width) and not a close grip. The reason is that a wide grip opens the joint up more and you run a smaller risk of impingement.
If you have no pain and are doing the exersise properly I would probably live w/ the clicking.
Highlife
08-30-2007, 08:19 AM
There is a good shot the problem is in your scapula. Ever have any shoulder, elbow, or wrist trauma in the past (moderate to severe). Also have you weight trained a lot in the past? Any history leading up to the click?
Normally the scapula sits pointing backwards. Poor training, poor form, or sholder injuries can cause the scapula to sit in an anterior direction. That causes the pectoral girdle (where your arm attaches to the shoulder) to have a misaligned socket.
Commonly the click can be a tendon being caught on something it shouldn't, or bone coming into contact with something it shouldn't. Your form for rows should first be to pull your shoulders back before you start the row. That way you are flexing the rhomboids prior to the row, giving them the proper work out.
Too often people use poor form, or don't work the rhomboids enough leading to an over developed pec major/minor to pull the scapula forward.
The problem is taken care of pretty easily if that is the case. Make sure you work your rhomboids equally as much as the pecs (properly) and find a chiropractor that specializes in extremities. He/she can adjust the scapula to where is should sit and your workouts should work to stabilize it.
Jestah
08-30-2007, 09:51 AM
Make sure you are using a wide grip (wider then shoulder width) and not a close grip. The reason is that a wide grip opens the joint up more and you run a smaller risk of impingement.
I've always done very close in grip with thumbs outstretched, almost touching.
I will try wider next time I go.
There is a good shot the problem is in your scapula. Ever have any shoulder, elbow, or wrist trauma in the past (moderate to severe). Also have you weight trained a lot in the past? Any history leading up to the click?
I've broken my left wrist once, and had a piece of bone shaved off the top of my right scapula, but this concerns my left shoulder...... I can't think of any history (only very recently started lifting weights).
Your form for rows should first be to pull your shoulders back before you start the row.
Right I'll also concentrate on this next time I go.
Thanks for the tips guys.
Highlife
08-30-2007, 01:15 PM
It makes sense that it would be on your left side. A right side injury that was never corrected would have acute problems on the right side.
Chronically it can affect the left side.
TeckMan
08-31-2007, 12:11 AM
Your rotator cuff is weak you need to do
internal rotation
external rotation
upright external rotation
lateral raise
Bomba
08-31-2007, 12:30 AM
wow that will make perfect since to the lifting newb thx for the advice
LOL
TeckMan's advice is always: It's your rotator cuff, it's weak, train it.
That's funny.
what's funnier is he's probably right ;)
My rotator cuff is strong cause I'm always participating in a circle jerk.
Darkstrand
08-31-2007, 07:32 AM
what is a good amount to striaght back seated row relative to ur bench press?
right now my 1rm for bench is 330 and my 1rm for row is 245.
TeckMan
08-31-2007, 04:51 PM
wow that will make perfect since to the lifting newb thx for the advice
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Darkstrand
09-01-2007, 10:41 AM
DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT IS A GOOD RATIO OF CHEST TO BACK STRENGTH????