Why I'm not playing T2

Originally posted by Error|550


And, I would do so as the era in which IE made their rise to the OGL's #1 was not nearly as competitive as it was later.

They made their rise to the top before those that are now the top OGL clans had their teamwork issues, strats, etc., worked out.

Heh. From that comment, I'm guessing you didn't play in the OGL during IE's reign or ever get a chance to get spanked by [IE].

Orcus

:o Big Daddy Natural always has something good to say. I feel mostly the same way, but maybe thats just because my computer sucks.

Originally posted by Natural
I think my problem with T2 is that, of many people I've spoken to that play it competitively, most people feel obligated to their team and to their sequel--not their own enjoyment.

not to flame, just so you do know, that isnt entirly true. I play for fun. I feel no obligation. i want you to know that so you can say you have seen people out there who play cause they enjoy it. *seriously*

whatever

they released T2 not a mod to T1
OFCOURSE its gonna be different


I am so sick of hearing statements like the
one above. Why did they put the name Tribes in it
then? This game is ass, it is no fun, it has
nothing at all to do with Tribes. They used
the name to make money. Period.

To paraphrase someone else, man I love threads like this. They are like lighting rods for idiots. http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif I think my finger is starting to cramp up from hitting the ignore button so many times.

Orcus

Originally posted by Phyzx


I think I'll borrow a sentence from you on page 19 in response. "personal attacks get you nowhere with someone smarter than you." I'd suggest you keep acting like you're 12, and flaming instead of conversing about the subject matter. Being that "I" am so new to the community, it's nice to learn who actually discuses things around here, and who just trolls for the sake of trolling, and flaming.


Get this, dumbass. I believe I'm smarter than you, which is why I take the liberty of calling you an idiot.

You were fine until you started defending Cavalier, who doesn't need your help. You accused me of attacking ren just to attack ren, and I explained otherwise. You never answered that point. Maybe n202 was a better team than anyone you ever played for, and you can't handle the fact that a base dickhead played for a better ren team than yours.

Does it appear that you're completely 2-faced, to anyone else besides myself? How is that you chastise someone for being exactly like you, in the manner in which they post?

No, I treat some people a certain way, and I treat stupid people a different way. It's not two-faced, it is completely normal.

You're right about that. The only thing you've really contributed to this 'novel' is flames and insults. Go ahead - talk about how much of a community member you are, and how long you've been here; no one cares about trolls except the other trolls.

Have a nice day.
It isn't about how long I've been here, because I'm not the one saying the things that Cavalier is. He's saying stuff based on his few months experience in this community, and he's wrong about it. I let him know. Look past the insults in my posts, instead of being frightened by them and feeling the need to call me on them.

Don't feed the troll, asshole.

Uh, skiing in T1 wasnt/isnt a bug. They found it during beta, and decided to leave it in. Therefore, its no bug.

I agree with some T1 vets here :

The game "feels" slow, itchy and not very challenging to be played at high level. But imho, it is still very nice and has a great potential if DEVteam takes the time to work a bit on it.
So far, even if T2 offers a wider variety of features for both offense and defense, it requires less teamplay than T1 did (i dont talk about the lasts times of T1 when no teams took care to write any other original tactics than stupid clusterfuck), but more patterns and specialized players.

How could it be improved ?

-Gameplay: the "shaking effect" when touching ground or when in an explosion radius, removes a great part of the fun (smoothness) of what made the success of games like tribes1 or quake. Do you remember those quakeworld parameters that made the game smooth/fast/readable ? cl_pitch, cl_rollangle ..?
Skiing isnt fun mostly because of this "shaking feature", besides the fact you can hardly improve your skill to go faster than a newbie as someone pointed it out.

-gameplay: the insane momentum and lack of player's controls when both foots on the ground .... endlessly sliding down the hills, preventing you to duel or make fun moves. Need a better grip when not jumping/skiing/jetting.

-gameplay: on the contrary, the friction against other players or buildings makes you are stuck into a wall, a door or an other player during too long amounts of time.

-maps/buildings: meta ended too early so that we couldnt point out how some maps had stupid flaws in their design. Btw, take a look at Tombstone and its ridiculous flag repository where a spamming newbie can defeat a whole experienced team to grab the flag ... same goes for dessicator where a not_so_experienced_defens e can lock up the game. In many case, defending is as easy as killing a cow stucked in a corridor. Make wider doors FFS !

-AI: this game has far too much AI but it should at least be balanced by visibility/time-reaction/damages-inflicted. If only the little red light on turrets was larger so that it is visible from a 100/150 meters distance. Last patch modified interference radius, which is a good thing, but defense relies too much on automated-turrets yet (my team has some of the best european LDs, and they are pissed turrets stole the funniest part). And how come a single missile can kill a full-health light armor ? Is flare the only kind of grenades allowed ? (should I precise I mostly play as engineer in clan-games and I dont feel any pleasure when my turrets kill 20 players and harm 100 others).

-Vehicles: I find the autolevelling effect rather strange, but heh, who am I to judge ? So far, piloting a shrike is the funniest thing in this game. I'm just a bit puzzled by the tailgunner's position which I find to be very dumb even if absolutly nescessary ... just an other sacrificed teammate (sorry guy, but you are tailgunner today). As a side note, vehicle stations have a serious flaw since a newbie standing in a vehicle can block all his team's offense (pubs).

-overall visibility: I dont know if textures are "washed" or if I should change my glasses, but even at max settings, I can hardly say if a player is coming in my direction or go away from me (especially the flagtaker). I know LDs hate that too.

-pollution: dynamix promised an efficient muting system, but atm, pubs are full of guys repeating 100 times the same thing, wasting other's concentration and fun ... pubs are just boring, not even worth for training or just have fun.

-commander map: admit that removing the white lines between players and objectives make it worthless in clan-games. You cant even say where you are with a single glance.

-communication: which was acceptable in T1 with 8 or 10 players (a single com channel), makes it ridiculous when playing with 14/16. Some mgs should be local only (hearable/readable in a 100/200 meter radius) or broadcasted on either D or O channels. Anyway, msg-Hud is almost unreadable (colors) and polluted by unnecessary messages (global commands written 2 times, taunts, etc).

-amount of action/frags: Someone asked me "how many frags can you expect in a 30mn game?" ... I answered "20/25 if you are in a good day" --> "HAHAHA, I'll stay with Quake"

-pings: make a DOS ping on a server then check your in-game ping --> +25/30ms. And it really feels like +25/30ms, not like a bug in the way ping is displayed. PL column is just a joke :-)

[cF]Orox
http://www.crushedfrog.org

Would you people please shut up? This thread gives me a headache already. Thanks. :D

alright Giga, let's touch base on your little splerge into Ren. You played exactly how long? 1-2 weeks? I can, without a doubt, garantee that I've played much more base than you've played REN. Does that make me an expert on Base now? fuck no.

Ya, I've heard of n202. They've been around for a long time, in many iterations. I've personally met some of their clan members at a lan. They we're a very good clan; much better than the 2 clans I've been in. Are you trying to throw your 'n202' wieght around or something? you contributed absolutely nothing to their success. You could take almost any one here, and put them on that squad in a match, and they'd still win.

You were fine until you started defending Cavalier
I haven't defended Cav, I've only questioned you. If you asked Cav what he thought about "phyzx" you'd probably realize that we aren't bossom-buddies, and I'm sure he can defend himself. He's done so for a long time. I do appreciate him, however, for all of his contributions to the "community" - something you sorely lack (contribution).

No, I treat some people a certain way, and I treat stupid people a different way
Let me be the first stupid person to point out that treating 2 groups of people differently, becuase of your opinions IS being 2-faced, mr.not-so-smart-after-all.


He's saying stuff based on his few months experience in this community
No, see he's not; least not the way I read it. He's commenting with years of experience, alot like you. Becuase he hasn't wasted 100000hrs posting worthless drivel here, his points are invalid somehow? hmmm. I love how you continually side step every point with nothing of substance whatsoever.

Look past the insults in my posts, instead of being frightened by them and feeling the need to call me on them.

I am looking past your insults, and there's nothing there. Calling you on your insults is wrong because ... why again? If you wanna be a foul-mouthed, insult-flingin 3rd grader - go ahead. Whatever floats your boat, Gigafool.

Don't feed the troll, asshole.
hehe, ya - you too, suckaaaa. ;)

Pol, the "standards" I meant were more along the lines of expectations and if you played T1 which you did... I presume you expected perhaps just as if not a more exciting/enjoyable game which would have simular gameplay as T1 with more pro's than con's than the original. I know that I hoped for a game that would bring new/tough so that it would bring about more tribes and an even more difficult ladder...
Pub, I disagree with you because after playing T1 for so long I dont really think the game itself drove old vets away but more along the lines of lack of time and school ect. ect...

-EB-

I don't play t2 because of the error below..that and the game just sucks.

Hmm....is this thread the replacement for "All your base are belong to us"?

I'm hearing a lot of compelling arguments for why people don't play T2. IMO, they(myself included) wanted T2 to succeed in the worst way. When I heard that T2 was being developed, I was imagining a game that was an extension of T1. Instead, we get a slow and frustrating game.

Also, there is a ridiculous argument that suggest that T1 vets that don't like T2 must suck at T2!?!?! This far from the truth. The skills are basically the same, timing maybe different due to the slowness of the game but I can assure you must of us do not "suck" at T2. I actually gave the game a couple of weeks of my time before I quit playing.

BTW, I will be playing T1 tonight.

PA

Yeah pubknight, i posted that way earlier, but I'm sure it's lost.. T1 lost it's edge to me as well in it's twilight, and just in my own opinion, T2 didn't bring enough to the table to interest me. Like I said, these are my own opinions as to why I didn't delve into T2 like I did T1, or why I don't show up to work late anymore because of 5 hour marathon sessions.. But I did post a while back what I didn't really like about T2 on top of not being different enough from T1..

Jonah!!! now there's a name I haven't heard since.. *mechanical breathing* Sup bud.. stop by #fallen and say hey sometime ;)

Fallen|KI

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^^^^^^^


Dont read the thread if you dont like it dumbass!

Originally posted by Futzy
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Originally posted by Phyzx
alright Giga, let's touch base on your little splerge into Ren. You played exactly how long? 1-2 weeks? I can, without a doubt, garantee that I've played much more base than you've played REN. Does that make me an expert on Base now? fuck no.
My "splurge" into ren lasted about a month, and I never claimed to be a ren expert.

Ya, I've heard of n202. They've been around for a long time, in many iterations. I've personally met some of their clan members at a lan. They we're a very good clan; much better than the 2 clans I've been in. Are you trying to throw your 'n202' wieght around or something? you contributed absolutely nothing to their success. You could take almost any one here, and put them on that squad in a match, and they'd still win.

I contributed a great deal to their last match, along with my base partner JohnWayne. You could say that last sentence about nearly any good player for nearly any team, but I didn't see you playing for n202 or a better team.


I haven't defended Cav, I've only questioned you. If you asked Cav what he thought about "phyzx" you'd probably realize that we aren't bossom-buddies, and I'm sure he can defend himself. He's done so for a long time. I do appreciate him, however, for all of his contributions to the "community" - something you sorely lack (contribution).

I'm sure you aren't "bosom buddies," and I know of his great contributions to the community, but when he blasts T1 base vets as lacking the skill to compete in T2, I am offended seeing it come from someone who has been in this community all of a few months. I contribute nothing but my playing ability and my thoughts on these forums. Sometimes I flame, sometimes I don't.

Let me be the first stupid person to point out that treating 2 groups of people differently, becuase of your opinions IS being 2-faced, mr.not-so-smart-after-all.

No. I'm sure you treat people you respect differently from people you don't respect. I respect certain people here, and I treat them a certain way. I don't respect you, so I treat you a certain way. It isn't two-faced, it's life.


No, see he's not; least not the way I read it. He's commenting with years of experience, alot like you. Becuase he hasn't wasted 100000hrs posting worthless drivel here, his points are invalid somehow? hmmm. I love how you continually side step every point with nothing of substance whatsoever.

I didn't post his post count, or how long he's been on the forums, but you must realize, these boards were erected by Base players, and the ren community only joined us recently. I use this to say he shouldn't be attacking T1 vets as "lacking skill."


I am looking past your insults, and there's nothing there. Calling you on your insults is wrong because ... why again? If you wanna be a foul-mouthed, insult-flingin 3rd grader - go ahead. Whatever floats your boat, Gigafool.


hehe, ya - you too, suckaaaa. ;)

...

hey phizx and giga

get a fucking room already

Will every thread, that Natural starts, end up this long? :o

:D

As for comments, I really admire Skillz's positive attitude towards T2. I agree with him. This game will get better over time because of the fact that it still isn't completely done. And for that reason, I will stick with T2.

SuicideTaxi, I find T2 can be exhilerating (*sp?) most of the time. Not always speed wise, but the amount of action that can happen at once... that kind of stuff can really get the blood flowing.