Why I'm not playing T2

someone needs to pop that over-inflated ego.

Then again, I guess it's normal for hard-core gamers to have an ego, as they're no damn good at anything else. ;)

I had a opinion to voice, but its really pointless, nobody looks at anything objectively here anyway.


VAB, Natural

VAB, IE


had fun playing you the one time i did.

I go to sleep for a couple of hours and suddenly this went from 6 pages to 35 wtf

:mofo:

I have other skills!!@##@!#

I cant mention them in a public forum.

But. I do.

And I would take what ya say personally, but I dont really have an ego. Just more of a morally inept, psychologically repressed, sexually distraught hormonal imbalance which makes me act this way.

Or maybe Im just a prick.

JesseJames :p

/me waves

Hi KI!!

whatever

they released T2 not a mod to T1
OFCOURSE its gonna be different
why do the same as t1, if they did you guys would prolly say wtf is this...its another t1
dunno if u see where im gettin
anyways, CHANGES are EXPECTED
DEAL WITH IT

T2 is not a one man game...TEAMPLAY
if u dont like it, step back and go to T1
simple =)
no offence but thats the way i see it
there just wayyy too many people bitching and bitching
its gone fukin crazy

-Skeptic5000

Originally posted by skeptic
T2 is not a one man game...TEAMPLAY
if u dont like it, step back and go to T1
simple =)


...and T1 was a one man game? Put put ONLY Natural up against all of Sticks, think he'd win? Nada. It takes a team in T1.

I still play T1. Nyaaaaaaaaaaa. :p

:twak:

Shut up Skeptic you loosa.

:p

Im :armed: and ready to put the :grimreape up in you.

Biznitty.

JesseJames

Originally posted by SuperSniperX
I just can't wait until T2 dies down, so that we can get rid of all you annoying ass CS/Q1-Q3/UT/[B]T1-Renegades[B] people that do nothing for the T1 comunity.

Why would you bring Renegades into this discussion? Believe me the game slowed down for us (ren) the most.

As far as doing nothing for the community ... there were more Ren servers than Base. And, if you like I'll point you to the Ren vs. Base demos on this board.;) Granted, base was king of T1, but surely you don't included ren players with the other games, do you?

We are all in the same boat now. Point flamegun at CS/Q1-Q3/UT/EQ/B&W ... but not your old Ren pals.

ack my wh0reness is gone I got to page 16 and couldn't go farther. T2 isn't T1 by far. Whole new game and imo sucks ass. With that said I don't play it anymore. I gave it about a month played as much as I could with stand but now I am back to EQ again. Scrims and competition I don't think are going to save this game. It's the buncha newbs who never played T1 from other games etc that may keep the game alive long enough for it to be patched and patched and patched and patched and how ever many fucking times it's been patched, (I gave up after like 7 or 8) that may turn this game good. Hell I didn't jump into liking T1 till about a year after it was out maybe it will be the same with T2. Until then oh well I wasted 40 bucks and I'll live. I've got more shiat to do in EQ =D

I suggest trying out the T1B mod for Tribes 2.. it has many, many characteristics of Tribes 1. You can...

1. ski easier
2. mine-disk
3. MA easier
4. more energy
5. so forth and so on
6. nyaaaa, try it ;P

Tonight on Fox!

When gaming egos collide!

A very special special...

Originally posted by [4M]Harlequin_Jester
Now for a few thoughts from HJ...

Natural: You were my Tribes hero. You were the person who I used as a benchmark in my latter half of my Tribes career when I switched from LD to capper. I respect everything you did in Tribes, and because of your skill and reputation I listen to what you say far more than the average poster, much like I would for Daunt or Bluenose, as I recognize their skill at my position. But... when you proceed to beat a long dead and oft-beaten horse, based upon 8-10 hours of post release experience, and then compare it unfavorably and nostalgicly to Tribes, I have to disagree with your stance. Two months into Tribes had nothing in common with the style of play found in the spring of 2000. Post-release Tribes was far slower in comparison than Tribes 2 vs Tribes is. I say give it time and play some scrimms or listen to a shoutcast before you pass judgement.

My Thoughts: Speed Yes, Tribes 2 is slower than Tribes. How much so? Not a great deal, but enough so that you notice it, most apparent on maps that are not exactly "skiing friendly". How much is the fault of the game and how much is a result of the map design? I'd say the greatest portion of the blame falls on map design. I know of one route on Archipelago where I never have to touch the water, but if I don't take that route, yes, it takes a while to get across the map. On Sanctuary, the map is large, there are several water filled bowls and depressions. If you do not pick the right route, yes, you will take over a minute to traverse the map. But let's compare...Damnation with Canyon Crusade. Arguably same distance apart, Damnation is probably a little further. I can get to the flag faster on Damnation than I could on Canyon Crusade. (Now, that's without the 10 second disk jump return route)

Skiing is slightly slower, but the speed/air friction cap isn't the issue. I can ski base to base in a Heavy in a lot of maps. I don't approach the ski cap except for on Quagmire. That map is very ski friendly, and I hit speeds there that I had on Rollercoaster. The problem is in the maps. You have the map editor. I know it's buggy, but you can deal, people already have.

Defense vs Offense: Tribes 2 is defensively biased. Larger maps, less ski friendly, more turrets. Tribes was offensively biased. Heavy Offense lent the offense a huge advantage over the defense. True, they have over corrected the HO, but they have also provided us with more options...the bomber and the tank, the cloak and a more effective sensor jammer pack.

But wait you say, I see all these 0-0 (or 3-5 TTF) games! I'm the only one going on offense against 15 on Defense! That's pub play. I blame that on general laziness and those newbie game guides as well as all those MA fest demos ;)

I'm always on offense on pubs because I can't stand waiting for that lone capper to come to our base so me and my 14 other buddies can pounce on him. I can cowboy a good deal even against "T1 veteran" opponents, it's a pub. Some maps I get shutdown, the defense is too tight for me to go it alone. But if I get one or two people I know to go with me, generally, we cap 9 times out of 10. (ex, Kyuss and I on Recalesence. I would sensor jam, and knock the HoF off the flag and then toss it to Kyuss who had an e pack, I would cover his escape and he would cap) Things like this prove that the defense is not God in T2. It's dominating now in the pubs, but it can be broken. In the scrimms I've played in and the matches I've shoutcasted, the scores wwere generally high, with the exception of one -K- vs Void game that finished 1-0 in favor of Void.

The defensive imbalance is a player caused phenomenon, generally relegated to pubs.

TeamWORK vs TeamPLAY: Tribes 2 is a deeper game than Tribes. I'm not knocking Tribes at all here. I loved the shit out of that game. But Tribes 2 is just so much fucking BIGGER. The maps, the bases, the vehicles are more important, and you have to cover greater distances faster in order to cap or defend. Because of this, you have more jobs like the Turret Farmer of Tribes. His was the only non combat position of Tribes. Because the areas you need to defend are larger, and the offense has tools to reduce your base and assets to rubble much faster than Tribes HO even did (Bomber, tank, 5 HO arriving at once in a Havok, etc), you need more than one repair guy/deployer. You'll need a repairer AND a deployer. You'll need a pilot, a tailgunner, a bombadier, and ANOTHER pilot for a Havok. Are these jobs as fun as say, capping? No, not to me. But is winning fun? Yes. Winning is always its own reward, just as in Tribes. Your teammates respect the fact that you're keeping all of their shit up, that you're getting them safely into the firefight. Isn't that what ladders are about? Respect and winning? In my book, winning a Tribes 2 game is that much more enjoyable because it's more like winning a football game then just winning a video game. You put more effort in, therefore the enjoyment and rewards for a win are that much greater.

So I say to you T2 nay sayers, give competition a try, go in trying to enjoy it. If you still don't like it, well, then go play Tribes and have a good time. I wish you a great time. But stop complaining about how much you hate Tribes 2, and how great Tribes 1 was, and that anyone who thinks different obviously sucked at Tribes 1. It's not true, and it's a dead horse that needs to be buried.

^^^

Look, I think we all know what is going to happen here. Some people will play T2, some will stay with T1 for a matter of time. The only problem I still have is the issue of characterizing T1 as a game that does not require teamwork.

It has already been said that the only difference between T1 and T2 teamwork is that in T2 you are forced to play boring roles. T1 had JUST as much teamwork as T2, if not more.

The newb infestation on threads like these just kills them. If you like the game then fine, play it. Some of you are really having to explain your like of the game way too much. Either you are having to make excuses for it, or you are trying too hard to like it. Either way quit dispensing the "T2 requires teamplay" rhetoric that we all know is bullshit.

Agreed nat. t2 is like a big bubble. Its so much easier to MA in t2, and its basically like everyone is floating. Routes mean shit, its all about vehicles. Thats not what i call teamwork. I play t2 and i consider myself a really good raper. Gens are down usually half the map when im raping. However, if my veh pad is down, there is basically no way to rape.

And another thing, how can you have teamwork with 31 other people in the server. ITS IMPOSSIBLE to coordinate everything with 16 people playing at once and get that timing down pat. Sure its easy to clear the flag for someone, but all those t1 strats mean shit now.

t2 pubbing is shit. t1 pubbing is so much more fun. When you get that nice ma shot like nat said, its so much more sweet when you can actually feel it. Honestly, we need to make a mod with shorter maps, skiing more effective, no vehicles, 10v10, with no floating.
Sounds a little like t1 mod, but not all of this is in there.

Dynamix did a good job in creating a game, but its just nothing like t1. :(

I think my problem with T2 is that, of many people I've spoken to that play it competitively, most people feel obligated to their team and to their sequel--not their own enjoyment.

I think that if T1 were revamped slightly with new mods/maps, many people who have been dragging themselves through T2 will remember what it's like to (insert emotional action-packed moment here) and come back to the game they originally loved.

Those of you that came from games besides T2... ignore this whole thread because you've missed the T1 train and will have a tough time catching up-so keep playing the methodical and lethargic sequel.

Maybe it's just me... but it seems like some (not all) of the "big name" people that are speaking out against T2 also stopped playing T1 for various reasons.

So, while T2 is not T1 in terms of gameplay, etc, for these people... apparently T1 was not T1 either.

I guess I just fail to see the point of all the lamenting.
It's a different game, maybe you like it, maybe you don't.
If you want T1, no one is making you uninstall T1, it is still there to play.

T1, in its twilight, was the experience it was because of the community around it. If that community has fragmented, then T1 will never be the T1 that people recall from the "good old days".

Those that want for people to return to T1, aren't just making a choice for T1 over T2, they are trying to turn back the clock.

It's like pining for the "golden age" of any era, and often, memories are more favorable than the realities.

T1 was not bug free, the pubs were not grandiose places to play, and the game was plagued by cheating towards its end.

I personally enjoy T2 a lot... but it took time to grow on me. It has a lot more subtleties than T1 ever did.

If you don't like it, you don't like it, but pining for yesterday doesn't do anyone any good.

Originally posted by Sillypuddy
one last thought. T1 is NOT what the designers had in mind when the game came out. SKIING IS A BUG!!!! The game is what you make of it.

not a bug, it's a side-effect of design.

Originally posted by GigaFool
Damn, you're on to me. I guess you've noticed that I let dumb fucks know that they're stupid.

You obviously can't read for understanding (I hear they teach that in grade school now, go catch up), so let me sum it up for you.

I have a problem with people who are stupid. I feel the need to correct them, whether I agree with them or not.

All you need to know is that you, and your friend Cavalier, both lack intelligence.

I think I'll borrow a sentence from you on page 19 in response. "personal attacks get you nowhere with someone smarter than you." I'd suggest you keep acting like you're 12, and flaming instead of conversing about the subject matter. Being that "I" am so new to the community, it's nice to learn who actually discuses things around here, and who just trolls for the sake of trolling, and flaming.

originally posted by Gigafool
You begin your post by calling me an idiot, and asking me if I know anything. Then you go on to refute nothing I said in my post.
Does it appear that you're completely 2-faced, to anyone else besides myself? How is that you chastise someone for being exactly like you, in the manner in which they post?


originally posted by Gigafool
You haven't heard my points on T2. You don't know if I like it or not.
You're right about that. The only thing you've really contributed to this 'novel' is flames and insults. Go ahead - talk about how much of a community member you are, and how long you've been here; no one cares about trolls except the other trolls.

Have a nice day.

Yea, a bug hiders the playing of the game, skiing does not. It's an unintentional side effect.