Why I'm not playing T2

Originally posted by Cavalier
One thing a bunch of you people which dislike T2 have failed to add is that since you "ended" T1 on top as an elite player, you are all disdained by the fact that you need to learn new gameplay again.
Most of the T1 Elite Veterans that are complaining are doing so because they just aren't good at T2, and dont feel like actually attempting to become better. They just assume they would've been great when they popped the CD into their drive.

This couldn't be more wrong, and it's horribly annoying how many people seem to share this view. The elite T1 players sucked at T1 at some point, but it's their competetive nature that drives them to get better. If they quit when they got frustrated, they would have never gotten good.

The difference is they felt T1 was worth getting good at, but they do not feel T2 is worth the effort. Why should they spend the effort on a game they don't enjoy? Actually some T1 players are sticking with T2, and many times they describe it as a "chore."

It has nothing to do with not being good immediately because the process of improving is what most truly competetive players enjoy the most. It's the challenge that's fun.

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Pissed Off Ewoks

Originally posted by itzxeo
Hate to say this, but Nat quit your bitching. T2 isn't a one man game anymore, you CAN'T be the hero because YOU need your teams help. wtf, are you too lazy to practice teamwork instead of routes? You played in pubs, WOW! not. pubs = crap. Perhaps you should try some teamplay, that's what this game is about.

You should be dragged into a street and shot.

IE = Teamplay

Go do the world a favour and drink a gallon of drane-o

Originally posted by BF_Blitzkrieg
It was. Damn that whole "teamwork" thing, huh?

My guess is you hit it right on the head. Natural (and most of IE that I remember) played the teamwork thing real well in T1 provided that there was plenty of lee-way for cowboy activities.

By the way, I don't recall the whole "cowboy" thing being gone. In fact, I seem to recall "cowboying" all over the "Porn Shop" with MaD_ReBeL last night.

Maybe I was dreaming ...

Grow up. It's different. That DOES NOT mean it's bad.

The game is no fun to play. Period. And for the
Newbies and renegades players trumpeting the "It's a different game!"
hymn, you are right.
It IS a different game, and as such, should
NEVER have had the word Tribes
in the title. My suggestions for titles:

- Mechanized Death Tournament

- Malaise Strike

- Slow Motion Fighting Force

- SIM Turret Builder

- QIX-Ass

Originally posted by /AV/Pagy


You should be dragged into a street and shot.

IE = Teamplay

Go do the world a favour and drink a gallon of drane-o

Um ... that would be "Drain-O" ... IE wasn't the bestest, best teamplaying team ever either.

I'd put the XXXHonduras/WarWitch-era NuTz or 5150 in that spot first.

God damn you guys are clueless.

originally posted by Gigafool

Sry mr. renegades king, you need to wake up.

Remember the T1 RENvsBASE pickup game? ya, I thought so...

Originally posted by Error|550
I'd put the XXXHonduras/WarWitch-era NuTz or 5150 in that spot first.

And, I would do so as the era in which IE made their rise to the OGL's #1 was not nearly as competitive as it was later.

They made their rise to the top before those that are now the top OGL clans had their teamwork issues, strats, etc., worked out.

Speaking from the point of view of someone who never played T1: I really enjoy T2.

I think there's plenty of room for heroism in the game. I was playing on Beggar's Run the other night and one person got 75% of our caps. She owned. You could pretty much look at the enemy flag status and see that it was in her hands. It was damned impressive. What about the guys that go out and hunt turrets, or destroy vehicle stations, or wreck the enemy mpbs? If I see a capper coming, and I take out the 3 turrets in his path, and he ends up capping, aren't I a hero in my own right? He may not have survived if I hadn't gotten those turrets. Or what about the guy that gets 95% of the way back to the base with the enemy flag and gets killed, but one of the other team members picks it up and gets the cap? Is the guy who got killed any less a hero than the guy that capped? Hardly.

I've played FPSs since... Wolfenstein, I guess. Doom. All those old ones :) Hell, I loaded up Doom II a couple months ago and it was hella fun. But Quake was better. Quake II even more so. Q3 was okay, but not as fun as UT, at least for me. Same thing with Thief, and Thief II, and NHL 2000 and 2001. Every popular game seems to evolve somehow, whether it's through mods or the creation of a sequel. Sometimes the new version isn't as good as the old (NHL99 and 2000), but sometimes it works the other way (NHL 2000 and 2001... I'm a hockey fan, can ya tell?). But without evolution we'd be stuck still playing Wolfenstein, not aiming anywhere but left and right, with blocky graphics and 8 bit sound. And that would suck.

Anyhow, T2 is nowhere as fast paced as UT was; and quite honestly, I'm happy for that. One of the first questions I asked when I was reading about T2 was whether it would be as insanely fast paced as Q3 or UT games were. When I heard that it was more team-play oriented and strategy played heavily in the outcome, I was hooked. There it was, a thinking man's FPS. Just what I was looking for. Sometimes thrilling, sometimes frustrating as hell, but you have to think to play.

I'm sure T1 was a great game; it sounds pretty sweet. I kind of regret not having bought it before T2 came out (I actually had the box in my hand, but put it back on the shelf...), so I could see what the game was all about. But I didn't. Ahh well. But I digress. What I mean to say is that you just kinda have to take T2 for what it is, nothing more. Would it have been better if the T1 devs had stuck around? I don't know. Would it be better if skiing was faster, tanks didn't run people over so hard, etc? I don't know. I just play the game as it is, and wait to see what the next patch will bring. Hopefully something good, like this last patch (except for the fog! Go away, fog!).

It's a new game, with new maps and bases that require new strategies. I would think half the fun of the game would be formulating those strategies. But that's just me, and I'm not representative of anyone but myself.

But T2 is a hell of a lot of fun. I can't wait until my wife goes to bed so I can play ;)

Originally posted by Vanster
- Mechanized Death Tournament

- Malaise Strike

- Slow Motion Fighting Force

- SIM Turret Builder

- QIX-Ass

I want you to tell me this AFTER you actually play the game some. Thanks, bye.

Maybe we shoulda renamed tribes Quake 1 1/2 with skiing :hrm:

Originally posted by Error|550


And, I would do so as the era in which IE made their rise to the OGL's #1 was not nearly as competitive as it was later.

They made their rise to the top before those that are now the top OGL clans had their teamwork issues, strats, etc., worked out.

Dude, your a fucking idiot. They won the TG2k Championship beating out S3, and 5150. What more do they have to prove? You people are really stretching.

To sum up your post, Natural: <B>Wah.</b>

How can u say that the game was a vision of one man? You're right, its not like one of the lead developers <I>came to the community asking for suggestions</i> or anything constantly.

Where have you been? You've been too busy basking in your own "glory" of being a Tribes "legend" to actually realize the huge input that the Dev team allowed for T2.

You should've expected changes. I am still completely baffled at how people are STILL *whining* about the changes when they've been asking for them ever since they heard T2 announced. What did you expect? The same game physics, tactics and maps but with fancier graphics? Sadly, this is true for <b>some</b> people.

Too bad you're one of them.

But most importantly, no one cares what you think.

/me drops $.02 in the bucket.

I played T1 for about a year and a half and it was a ton of fun, but I like T2 better. I think there are a lot of cool additions and neat gameplay changes that really add to the game. And it looks a lot better. I guess I'd agree that there are still a few problems, but they aren't quite so serious. I mean, I guess the biggest could be that some of the maps have flags too far in base. I think my favorite map is Sanctuary, and there are a lot of maps like sanctuary with outdoor flags but that aren't quite so isolated from the base as the T1 flags. I think it's a great game and I love it; you are entitled to your opinion.

Originally posted by Error|550


And, I would do so as the era in which IE made their rise to the OGL's #1 was not nearly as competitive as it was later.

They made their rise to the top before those that are now the top OGL clans had their teamwork issues, strats, etc., worked out.

Wow. Just wow.

I look around and see all these new faces. First off i think T2 sucks. It is T1 renegades with fancier graphics. T2's last hope is arena. CTF is slow and boring(yes even in scrims). I forgot who said it, but if i wanted a strategy game i would have bought one. This game should have no association with T1 at all. Now beacuse of my opinions, this must mean i suck at t2. If you want to think that great, go ahead. The fact is that if i need to sit down and think about forcing myself to play a game its not really worth it now is it?

Originally posted by Error|550


Um ... that would be "Drain-O" ... IE wasn't the bestest, best teamplaying team ever either.

I'd put the XXXHonduras/WarWitch-era NuTz or 5150 in that spot first.

Dude - shut the fuck up you piece of shit.

I was at Gala when IE won the $10k - it was exciting, amazing and wonderful beyond the ability of words to describe.

Natural is 100% right when he talks about the lack of heroism.

Heroism is not clearing mines and turrets to help a capper - heroism is what you will see, in full effect, if you download some of the demos from TG2k.

Watching Special make the most impossible cap in the universe on a massive S3 defense in the final seconds of snowblind was absolutely insane - it had people on their feet screaming and cheering.

T2 is slow and boring and dumbed down - most of the people who say it is just right now are people who were mediocre in T1 - you lack the tactical skills and the reflexes to compete in the highspeed environment of T1 so you feel right at home in T2 - now that everyone moves at the same speed, you dont have to deal with elite players who can out ski, our chain and generally out play your sorry ass.

T2 is a total fucking joke, it is a game without a soul.

Dave G can kiss my ass.

Nat, you have some valid points, but personally T1 was starting to get repetitive and boring to me. You'd see nothing but the same old thing over and over again with absolutely nothing changing.

T2 is a whole different ballgame... there are literally hundreds of different ways to do things, strategies to create and implement, roles to play, tasks to do.

It is so much more than T1 that it can be daunting to look at all the possibilities.

I stopped playing T1 months ago because it was boring, and T2 is nothing like it. In fact, it is probably one of the best games I've played in years.

But then, that's just my opinion. :D

Whoa.

Originally posted by {CG}Pendragon


Dude - shut the fuck up you piece of shit.

I was at Gala when IE won the $10k - it was exciting, amazing and wonderful beyond the ability of words to describe.

Natural is 100% right when he talks about the lack of heroism.

Heroism is not clearing mines and turrets to help a capper - heroism is what you will see, in full effect, if you download some of the demos from TG2k.

Watching Special make the most impossible cap in the universe on a massive S3 defense in the final seconds of snowblind was absolutely insane - it had people on their feet screaming and cheering.

T2 is slow and boring and dumbed down - most of the people who say it is just right now are people who were mediocre in T1 - you lack the tactical skills and the reflexes to compete in the highspeed environment of T1 so you feel right at home in T2 - now that everyone moves at the same speed, you dont have to deal with elite players who can out ski, our chain and generally out play your sorry ass.

T2 is a total fucking joke, it is a game without a soul.

Dave G can kiss my ass.

I couldn't agree more, Pen.