Why I'm not playing T2

Originally posted by GigaFool
Actually nullper, I don't mind the T2 pubs I've played. Recently, I've been a part of some really fun ones.

I was just responding to what skillz said in his post.

I agree lately the games have been getting a LOT better people actually going O and one night on cheaters damn there was so much flag passing it was like a biker bitch :) but where I've had bad games was where there was lots of useless missle D or not a lot of people. 5150 wast 1 was spectacular last night (and naturally my connection decides to go on the fritz in the middle of it :( )

what daunt said.

i don't think they'd do that to us.

sup giga

nm pun, leaving work in about 2 seconds. Gonna put Jimi Thing on really really loud, then go home and maybe actually play some T2. Then I may take this girl I met here out. :]]]]]]]]]]]]]

Saint, the mere fact that you're discussing graphics and making comparisons between T1, T2, Quake, whatever... puts you in an entirely different realm of conversation: yer in the wrong thread.

As for the point a lot of you are bringing up about matches being much more competitive and entertaining than pubs, I'll buy that. I'd be able to comment myself had Dave slowed down and made sure the record demo feature worked before pushing the release of the game.

Regardless, 95% of my Tribes lifetime occured in pubs and not matches. If a game is unsuccessful when in the public-game enviornment, then it is a failure. Newbies from other FPS games will load up T2 and consider it great for its novelty... a good looking game built for the Quake/Tribes/Rengades hybrid with very diverse roles to play. However many of us who truly loved T1 will load up a pub and think "my god this is boring."

If I wanted to be dedicated to T2 in any fashion, I would have to practice in pubs. I simply can't force myself to do that, considering the entirety, when I can load up a game of T1 rabbit and re-live the intensity of the original and the foundation built for T2 by the developers and community.

We are putting together a new game mode and new set of rules for T1 that may, in fact, make a home for those who share my feelings. This will be further discussed in another thread, if it goes through.

-Natural

Originally posted by Darkpoint
Damn, I hate being both hungry and tired at the same time, makes it harder to analyze ppl.



That's too bad. I can.



It takes about as long to get from 1 base to another on riverdance as rollercoaster.



I have like 500 disk kills in T2 compared to like 10 missile kills. I DO have something like 50 turret kills, but ppl should run in there in a pack. 3 heavies, 1 with sjpak, 1 with spak, and 1 with rpak? That's a formidable force that it's not easy to take down, even moreso because they don't worry about ANY turrets. Remember, T1 was a cowboy game. The idea was "<b>TEAM COMBAT</B> on an epic scale" for T2.



Grab a med w/missile, 4 missiles = tank bits. Or you could just fly.



Though I agree with you that this was a stupid move by the devs, it was done to keep ppl in the pubs. Also, just cuz we get a point for touching it doesn't mean teams are satisfied. I was just in 5150 west a few hours ago, and there was fierce competition on IR of all maps. Score at the end of the map was something like 320-235. Choose your pubs more carefully, the same goes for pubs in T1 as T2.



I'm on 28.8. I'm used to pings of 300+. So what if I ping 350-400 on the 5150 servers, it's just that much more of a challenge to me. If I can duel decently with this ping, where I actually have to lead, where I actually <b>have to be good</b> to do passibly at this game, then you should have no problem dealing with a ping that feels the same as you're on a lan.



Actually, this is, give or take a little, what T1 was supposed to be.



I have no idea what happenned on the beta/meta, besides that lotsa ppl had UE's constantly, and they were told not to report UE's. Thus lotsa ppl didn't report any bugs cuz they couldn't play, so they got dropped from the meta list.



What's wrong with scara? It requires teamwork? :o Imagine that...having to work with your TEAM to get something done. That's what T1 was supposed to be all about. Personally, I would have liked to see dom, scara, and a some of the other hard maps played more in T1 pubs.



Lesse here...hero=cowboy, right? So, ya, having 1 person being the hero capper, and everyone else staying back on d is out by design.

What grace? Skiing? That's still there, though it makes you conserve your energy more. Flying in and grabbing the flag, then flying off before the flag d even realizes that you're nearby? Again, the whole team thing.

Tell me, natural, do you have a problem with working with ppl? Do you like to do stuff on your own? 8 hrs of play, you must've WANTED T2 to fail your own review. I imagine you've probably been biased against it since the nda was released and you found out what the game was really like.

OMG,

I am only on page 9 right now, so forgive me if this has been said - but
SHUT THE FUCK UP AND BOW THE FUCK DOWN TO YOUR FUCKING SUPERIORS BITCH!

You fucking whiny bitch - have a little bit of respect for the man who, if he is not the best player in the game, he is one of the top 3.

Who the hell are you? A nobody with a smarmy nya nya nya attitude.

Shut your ignotant mouth you prick.

Originally posted by Wyrd
Um... ok

2nd point:
Turrets are *not* too strong, they are easy to dodge (if you know what you are doing). Also you dont get a million you get 16 total for an entire map. You know what makes the turrets so good? Good LD playing around them. Get a group of shitty defense and the biggest turret network known to man, and it will be a capout every time. Hell, go to a n00b server and Ill even cap.

They dropped the health on the landspikes (that was very nice) in the last patch. That along with the increased ski speeds makes turrets only really useful if you have to slow down for them. Indoors? Carry a shieldpack or a jammer. Outdoors, just get a good ski route and you wont get hit (given weak LD).

I personally get sick of people saying that "defense is too easy" in T2. Change your statement... "defense is too easy in pubs" And noone gives a squat about pubs (I hope =P)



If the players are THE important part of D wtf is the point of super accurate turrets?! Why is it that 85% of all the deaths around the flag is by turrets? You have to be moving fucking fast to not get hit by turrets and if the LD is any good to slow you down in anyway way your dead meat trying to handle the LD and the five turrets that are chewing you up. Turrets aren't a problem on newbie servers but a large server with lots of ppl sitting on D they are a problem. Especially in the maps with indoor flags.

I own up on pub servers all the time but I'm not in a tribe and I don't get to play in scrims. The same goes for majority of players. Thats why the turrets bother me. Is there some channel that semi-serious players go to get little scrims going?

Well Daunty-Id have to say that's a relief.....LoL

No 8 year olds owning me........:P


Ahhh GIVE IT TIME PEOPLE

1 month into Tribes 1 I was a member of NCC with Warwitch, Cptkirk CptPicard, SUPERBUNNY AKA Mrbunnywabbit etc.

The game is SOOOO NEW

1 month into Tribes1, people weren't running "routes" like they are 1 month into Tribes 2. Everyone is more ready with strats, and has HIGH expectations of teamwork in pubs, 1 month into the game. Yet if you look back @ 1 month into Tribes 1, SHIT it was the SAME concept IMO.

2months will tell the real tale. And I think its only going to get better with time. And when DEMOS come out, I bet my POS p2 350 that they get MORE DL's than T1 ever did.

Now that I've finally caught up and read all 22 pages I'm too mentally exhausted to comment.

Geez, there for a while it was adding two pages for every one I read. And no, I don't read slow.

One thing a bunch of you people which dislike T2 have failed to add is that since you "ended" T1 on top as an elite player, you are all disdained by the fact that you need to learn new gameplay again.
Most of the T1 Elite Veterans that are complaining are doing so because they just aren't good at T2, and dont feel like actually attempting to become better. They just assume they would've been great when they popped the CD into their drive.

Originally posted by Natural
-Heroism is gone


This is so very, very true.

Cav that is so not true man. I consider myself both a good T1 <b>and</b> T2 player. Not r33t in either but at least above average. The only people that own me consistantly are the T1 vets who actually enjoy the game.

I'm putting in the time. Lots of time as a matter of fact. What it comes down to is that T2 isn't as much for for some of us. It IS fun but it doesn't give me that adrenaline rush that I used to get while trying to chain whore a capper while chasing him.

This isn't our ego's talking dude. :hrm:

Originally posted by Cavalier
One thing a bunch of you people which dislike T2 have failed to add is that since you "ended" T1 on top as an elite player, you are all disdained by the fact that you need to learn new gameplay again.
Most of the T1 Elite Veterans that are complaining are doing so because they just aren't good at T2, and dont feel like actually attempting to become better. They just assume they would've been great when they popped the CD into their drive.

cav, Innovation is what I loved about playing tribes, and it's about the only thing that keeps me going in T2. Whether i'm good or not, who knows... but it definitely doesn't sway me either way to liking/disliking this game.

and I'm gettin ready to install tribes after my win2k install... all i need to do after that is find mr. poops pack and i'm good to go.

viva la NuTz!

well nat. I cant say as i support your views as to the current state of T2 other than the movement aspect. I dont expect pubs to rock my world right now, game/players are to new.

I remeber playing T1 with you and your boys WAAAAYYY back in the first 6 months of T1. You cant tell me pubs were, in hindsight, what they were towards the middle/end of T1. They(again in hindsight) sucked. No team work, just running around most people couldnt ski for shit i mean it was bad. You remember no?

That said. I would like a good T1 heh dare i say "mod". I really dont know what they were thinking. Even with increased ski speed there is still a place for the vehicles. Maybe not much for the hover bike or the tank. But IMO those are the 2 vehicles with the least use in the game. Forward base would OWN if you Could HO acceptably.

All im saying is, please dont inculde mine discing. yes it was fun, but imo it takes less skill to mine disc than it does to kill a heavy normally.

Originally posted by Cavalier
One thing a bunch of you people which dislike T2 have failed to add is that since you "ended" T1 on top as an elite player, you are all disdained by the fact that you need to learn new gameplay again.
Most of the T1 Elite Veterans that are complaining are doing so because they just aren't good at T2, and dont feel like actually attempting to become better. They just assume they would've been great when they popped the CD into their drive.

Sry mr. renegades king, you need to wake up.

The people who were good at T1 are good at T2. It isn't about learning some crazy new shit. Compared to T1 it is an easy game to master in terms of personal skill.

Originally posted by Natural
-you can't feel the enjoyment of a powerful disk shot that knocks a guy off track or finishes him off in a nice, crisp, explosion.
-same thing, except with mortars

So basically this is you not liking the graphics? *shrug*

Maybe the sound? I find I don't like the sounds for the disc launcher as much as the T1 sounds.

Originally posted by Natural
-skilled disk fighting D < robotic rocket launcher D

Ever try carrying flares? People in medium only can carry 4 missiles, and you can often just spoof one and then kill them. Remember, they can't hit you if you are in close. If its a turret you are worried about, get a teammate to come up with some rockets himself and take it out. Takes about as long as the RT on RD takes.

Originally posted by Natural
-the overpowered tank running over people

Ahahahaha! Okay, so umm, when was the last time you saw the tank being used effectively in a real game? I take out a tank when I want to have fun... like run my teammates over while they're trying to duel, which usually results in six or seven of them trying to kill me in my tank without missiles... which is actually tough. I've never actually used a tank effectively against good opposition.

Originally posted by Natural
-the network code was rewritten to become horrible... how many sub 30 pings do you see in T2 vs. Tribes/Quake/etc?

I get just as many if not more sub 40's here at school. I don't know what you are talking about. Back when T1 was new, no one in Cambridge had cable, so I got fantastic pings and download speeds, but now it isn't as good. Not T2's fault.

Originally posted by Natural
-the wonderful promised ability to permanently ban accounts from servers was removed and now they claim that they would "never support such a design element"

This is a really, repeat REALLY simple script to write. I could do it in about fifteen minutes, and I suck at T2 scripting.

You have a couple of valid points, about the maps for example... inside flags aren't generally a lot of fun. Makes for far too much inside fighting, when what Tribes really excells at is outside fighting.

Does anyone else think they decreased ground friction in the last patch? I swear you can HO on some of the maps now.

Originally posted by Darkpoint
What's wrong with scara? It requires teamwork? :o Imagine that...having to work with your TEAM to get something done. That's what T1 was supposed to be all about. Personally, I would have liked to see dom, scara, and a some of the other hard maps played more in T1 pubs.


T1 was all about teamwork once you got involved in the competitive ladders. Hell, it's hard to find teamwork in T1 pubs, and most the time it's hard to find teamwork in T2 pubs. Scara doesn't necessarily require teamwork in a pub game, but in a competitive match, it surely does.

Originally posted by #1 Stunner
If someone can do anything 10X better than you, then you suck and should give up at whatever that it is you're doing.

Seriously dude, STFU. No matter what you do for a living, what sport you play, whatever hobby you may invest your time in, there will ALWAYS be someone better than you. If you seriously think you should quit if someone can simply do something better than you.. well.. gees man, get some counseling.

weeeeeeeee STQ was the BEST! hehe, man that was such a long time ago =( like what, 2 1/2 years ago now?

LuLu> STQ -> Rabbit. We're thinking about a team rabbit =)