[Srsly] Hemo: viable at all? thoughts.

I have tried every spec I can possibly think of. I have blown hundreds of gold on seeing how things work and I recently specced back into Hemo and am loving it. I was Seal Fate Fists, before that Combat Fists and before that Combat Daggers (before that Mut, before that Hemo etc etc) and I always come back to hemo. Now I know that it sucks in comparison to other specs. I know that it lacks in consistant DPS, burst, and taps out too quickly on output, but it's just so much fun. I realize that I will now wander downwards on the damage meters, and that I will be largely regarded with a gentle neglect like the town cripple, but god it's fun to play.

What are your thoughts TW pplz? I am focusing on 2v2 and 3v3 right now, with some 5-man PVE and solo BGs.

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There I am. My gear is not *fantastic* but it's do-able. I just enjoy the versatility of hemo, and prep really helps for shitty situations of 2v1s etc.

check the top guilds in the bloodlust battlegroup and see what they do.

no idea about a hemo build.

but personally i'd go with a 15/41/5 backstab build over mutilate. if you do the math backstab actually does about the same damage as mutilate taking everything into consideration, however the high tier talents available in combat are better than assassination imo such as adren rush vs coldblood.

it comes down to stunlocking vs dps. for me dps is more fun, however stunlocking may be better in arena :shrug:

yeah gl with 15/41/5 if your main focus is pvp

You are a rogue, you will be terrible in 5v5s unless you get like 500 resilience and 10k HP unbuffed

I am not looking to become a top-tier arena player, nor am I planning on playing 5v5 arena on my rogue. Im really just looking for fellow-rogues' perspectives on Hemo.

Oh and combat daggers is fantastic for PVP.

Oh and combat daggers is fantastic for PVP.
No.

The rogue class is fantastic at PvP. Do not let the ease with which you dominate scrub players cause you to misjudge a terrible terrible PvP spec.

Combat daggers has the lowest CP generation by far of any spec. Add this to the positional requirement, and you're just asking for lots of frustration against any decent team. Spamming backstab works fine for killing players in greens in AV, but it won't cut it in the arena. I'm not just talking about top-tier arena, either.

As for hemo, it's a dead spec, but it's a small step above combat daggers.

If you want a strong PvP spec with the most damaging CS->KS stunlock in the game, that will hold its own in PvE as well, go 41/20 combat mutilate.

If you want the strongest world PvP, 1v1, 1vX, 2v2, 3v3, but won't do shit for you in PvE spec, go 30/0/31 seal fate pre-med.

If you want high, reliable, sustained damage with no positional requirement, but doesn't have the burst of the previous two specs, go combat fists.

I do not really like hemo, as others have said, it is now a dead build. The three legged dog of rogues, so to speak. Especially with the lack of good, slow hemo weapons. Spec combat fists. As it stands now, doing the math, you need more attack power than is feasibly possible for hemo to as work well as an SS build. Something like 2500+ IIRC. ETA: WowWiki states 3000 but yeah

Hemorrhage - WoWWiki, the Warcraft wiki (http://www.wowwiki.com/Hemo)

wtf happened to hemo to make it suck now? TBC beta some NE rogue put out a hemo vid and was tearing shit up

all i hear about now is mutilate :(

wtf happened to hemo to make it suck now? TBC beta some NE rogue put out a hemo vid and was tearing shit up

all i hear about now is mutilate :(

Vids are never really a reliable way to rate a spec. He probably took the absolute best of his many many fights.

Roguecraft was the same way. You can take any spec with any gear and make a fantastic looking video.

If you want a strong PvP spec with the most damaging CS->KS stunlock in the game, that will hold its own in PvE as well, go 41/20 combat mutilate.

This is where I ended up. I took Dagger Skill over Off-Hand and may very well be going back to Off-Hand, but for now I'm mowing stuff down like a run-away John Deere burning pure alcohol ...

Regarding PvE (re-spec'd two days ago; haven't tested PvP yet), I was killing 68-70s so fast last night that I was having to wait for Distract to come off timer between mobs.

:bigthumb:

P.S. How are people getting these amazing Mutilate crits? Is it Agility? Attack Power? Slower daggers (I'm 1.8/1.5 at the moment)? My best is around 1,500 (combined) ...

Hemo is fun and I used to spec it for 2v2 before my partner quit the game, but really it's not that great in the arena. I'd suggest going 26/35 (QR/AR) for arena play - it's fucking good. To top it off if you can go mace spec with that for pvp, the stuns are imba, but fists is almost as good.

wtf happened to hemo to make it suck now?

New ranks of SS, lack of appropriate hemo weapons, the high amount of AP you need to make hemo viable.

New ranks of SS, lack of appropriate hemo weapons, the high amount of AP you need to make hemo viable.

WTB 2.9 speed weapons again :(

I'm a huge hemo noob, but isn't the idea of hemo also to control the fight, whip out big fast evis., etc. with super fast combo point generation? If that's the case it seems like with the gear shift towards stamina, hemo really isn't going to be viable for a long time, if ever. However, I could be COMPLETELY wrong, so please correct me if I am.

you have it down pretty much. control was hemo's big advantage before tbc. I've been hemo for a while now, I still enjoy it but its not as good as it used to be. Before expansion with the current gear and weapon speeds, you could take down a person pretty fast, not as big as burst as seal fate was, but with the top stam available it was doable within one stunlock that didnt require a blind or sap. Now that mutilate is out, you get the same control somewhat, but with burst. Seal fate premed is still the best pvp imo. Hemo is still doable just gimp, stunlocks wont get you much anywhere with a sub build because you lack the burst with the new stam. Sure premed evis is nice and all, but it's not good enough a lot of times, and gl fighting a group as sub. Unless you're VERY VERY geared up, don't expect a whole lot from hemo dmg. I'll probably stay hemo for a while since I <3 agi/dodge for some reason. I dunno how, but my current raiding guild lets me raid as hemo, I'll never get #1 if theres a combat rogue there, but I still hold my own. I mean I'm pretty sure they wouldnt let me stay that way and get geared up if I was shitty. Maybe I'm just lucky to have them :shrug:

I want a well geared rogue to play with but there's no way I'm going to level another char and start raiding again :/

Why would you have to raid?