Shooting on VA Tech campus

Quick question : Did anybody saw a whole neighboorhood completely locked down because someone killed their cheating wife ? No.

Why the hell would they have thought that the guy would go ahead and kill 30 more peoples when they first believed it was something that had to do speficically with the 2 kids killed at 7:15AM. Even if he left (which is usually what killer do), why would he have been considered as a menace for all 25k students ?

I think VA Tech did the best they could with what they had, and saddly, turns out that the kid at something in mind, that only he knew about it.

RIP though.

quoted because you're a fucking moron

Quick question : Did anybody saw a whole neighboorhood completely locked down because someone killed their cheating wife ? No.

Why the hell would they have thought that the guy would go ahead and kill 30 more peoples when they first believed it was something that had to do speficically with the 2 kids killed at 7:15AM. Even if he left (which is usually what killer do), why would he have been considered as a menace for all 25k students ?

I think VA Tech did the best they could with what they had, and saddly, turns out that the kid at something in mind, that only he knew about it.

RIP though.

not because of a cheating wife, but i've seen an entire neighborhood locked down because of a standoff where shots had been fired. st. pete police locked down an entire residential block for a whole weekend

im not sure applying the most logical explanation to an illogical act is the best course

but i cant say i disagree with you

i thought the same thing....'most logical explanation' is quite a stretch

I can't decide if i think this guy was a master criminal or just a nutjob who decided to capitalize on a couple of random events

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i wish they would release the names. The suspense is killing me. I know my professor was shotin the face...tahts all i know though. I just wanna know if hes dead or alive. The odds are that hes not alive but im still clinging to the hope that he miraculously survived that and is one of the "wounded". The sad thing is...I have a feeling I will know several more people involved in this when its all said and done.

Your professor (Bishop?) has passed away according to ABC Nightline, sorry bro. =/

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most logical explanation = trying to determine if the bomb threats had anything to do with today, and if they did, why.

It doesn't sound like this guy was some nutso running around like an idiot with guns. This was a well planned out attack. So no, applying logic to his actions isn't really that big a stretch. Applying logic for his reasoning is another story.

most logical explanation = trying to determine if the bomb threats had anything to do with today, and if they did, why.

It doesn't sound like this guy was some nutso running around like an idiot with guns. This was a well planned out attack. So no, applying logic to his actions isn't really that big a stretch. Applying logic for his reasoning is another story.

on the other hand, with the haphazard way the classrooms were cleared (though i am very uncomfortable using that word), im not sure you can call it well planned out - it sounds random as hell.

:shrug:

i think we'll see much better in a few days time

have you considered transfering at all link

most logical explanation = trying to determine if the bomb threats had anything to do with today, and if they did, why.

It doesn't sound like this guy was some nutso running around like an idiot with guns. This was a well planned out attack. So no, applying logic to his actions isn't really that big a stretch. Applying logic for his reasoning is another story.

Well yeah, it may have been well planned out but he's still bat shit insane.

sorry for your professor link. :(

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that chart looks like it was drawn on a napkin

and orbital, the facts are not in your favor.

I hate all the rumors that spread around during things like this. Almost better not listening to any of it.

on the other hand, with the haphazard way the classrooms were cleared (though i am very uncomfortable using that word), im not sure you can call it well planned out - it sounds random as hell.

:shrug:

i think we'll see much better in a few days time

I don't think there was anything haphazard about it. I already mentioned the kill to wounded ratio. The people might have been random to him, but that doesn't make it haphazard. I think he knew where and when he was going to do this, the unfortunate victims just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Jesus Christ Dac. Of course the police would have closed down the university if they knew it would've turned out this way. Many officers are probably feeling incredibly guilty for their choice not to do just that. At the time they felt that closing down the entire school wasn't a good plan of action. In hindsight, it may have saved 30 lives. Decisions were made with limited knowledge and some could've been made differently. The best you can do is reflect upon it and think of the future.

thats swell but none of those things prevent rape. They might prevent unauthorized access

if he couldn't get inside the building he would not have raped her.

Yes, he might go on and rape some other person, true. But at the same time if I was head of residence life I would secure the residence halls for the families and the students. Yes it won't prevent all rape.

It might help stop some theft, it might help somewhat. It might suck to have to walk an extra 20 meters at most to the main exit/entrance. If you forget your catcard it would suck but at the same time you could tell the DA and they give you a temporary one for 3 days.

The biggest drawback would be making DA's 24/7 in smaller dorms as it would cost a little extra. At the same time they already pay 1500 in bonus and give free room and board to RA's who do mostly jack shit.

I don't think there was anything haphazard about it. I already mentioned the kill to wounded ratio. The people might have been random to him, but that doesn't make it haphazard. I think he knew where and when he was going to do this, the unfortunate victims just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

thats fair SBJ

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most logical explanation = trying to determine if the bomb threats had anything to do with today, and if they did, why.

It doesn't sound like this guy was some nutso running around like an idiot with guns. This was a well planned out attack. So no, applying logic to his actions isn't really that big a stretch. Applying logic for his reasoning is another story.

in some ways it certainly sounds like that. I remember reading earlier in the day that the building he chose wasn't the most heavily populated. Maybe he had something against engineering, but if he wanted to kill as many people as possible, supposedly there were other buildings which were better options. Plus you have the supposed killing of an RA and his g/f, which doesn't suggest a lot of foresight. I mean, the only evidence we have that this guy was pretty bright is his acumen at killing people.

Well yeah, it may have been well planned out but he's still bat shit insane.

sorry for your professor link. :(

Yes, I didn't mean to make it sound otherwise.

Sorry link :(

hope you are doing ok link_ ...stay strong man.

have you considered transfering at all link

actually, no. Not in the least actually. I feel more intertwined with this place more now than ever... as weird as that sounds.