Shooting on VA Tech campus

The best part is that America will pretend to be all heartbroken and melodramatic and shit for the next month, when in reality, they don't give a rats ass.

Your average suicide bombing in Iraq is far more tragic than this, but this story will get far more coverage for the next month than all of the worlds suicide bombings combined.

Americaaaa fuck yea!!!

you are stupid. really really stupid.

in your opinion, that is the only PRACTICAL solution?

This is why the only practical solution is to require everybody to carry a weapon at all times, teach everybody how to respect such a weapon, and how to use it effectively. Also, of course, make sure they know when to use it, and when not to use it...

I know that's not a popular idea, and of course people will point out drunk/stupid people will run around wildly shooting random strangers, I ask how exactly is that different from what just happened? If only those students trapped in those rooms had handguns with which to fire back.... perhaps they could have dropped the bastard before he took out so many.

That's what I said a few pages back. Allow concealed carry for the employees at least.

I just can't get over the amount of time it took, I mean, 2 hours. Didn't they have a suspect? Didn't anybody see who it was, or what he looked like? Why wasn't there more of an alert put out other then the "someone was shot, stay inside away from windows, k thx"?

First of all you have to understand the attitude of the campus. We dealt with morva earlier in the year and they made a huge deal out of it and scared alot of people---but most of the people weren't in danger. Also, we have had 2 bomb threats in the last 2 weeks. We were all kinda of the attitude "oh no big deal" I didn't get an email about the first incident until 2 hours after it happened.

And it said "there is a gunman stay inside." So I thought, "no biggie...i might not have class..sweet" (since they canceled classes for the bomb threats). I am sure most people on campus didn't think anything of the first incident.

There is a huge problem with the 2 hours of nothing that occured between shootings. How are classes in session after a shooting with no gunman in custody?

Exactly. If there is a shooting on campus, everything should be locked down until the perpretrator is apprehended and removed from the college. How can they just communicate this shit through email? They needed way more security and police.

Students cannot have firearms or any weapons with which to defend themselves, so they need to be protected by security and police. When a violent crime like a shooting goes down, there needs to be an immediate lockdown of everything on that part of the campus and restrictions on moving to other parts of the campus everywhere else.

Two hours after someone is murdered nothing happens? That's absurd.

were you there? do you have any involvement in it at all?

no?

didnt think so

Too much 'red tape', not enough thinking.

I know that's not a popular idea, and of course people will point out drunk/stupid people will run around wildly shooting random strangers, I ask how exactly is that different from what just happened? If only those students trapped in those rooms had handguns with which to fire back.... perhaps they could have dropped the bastard before he took out so many.

People are drunk and stupid a lot, but its not a premeditated condition and thus they don't have a gun to use. Also if everyone pulls out their glock and started running around campus there probably would have been a higher death count. Then you get all those people who shot and killed someone else in the confusion and the person they shot was trying to get the killer as well. This would make problems such as these worse, especially in a closed building.

What about the Cadets?

they aren't equiped for a man hunt. That's a very last resort.

This is why the only practical solution is to require everybody to carry a weapon at all times, teach everybody how to respect such a weapon, and how to use it effectively. Also, of course, make sure they know when to use it, and when not to use it...

I know that's not a popular idea, and of course people will point out drunk/stupid people will run around wildly shooting random strangers, I ask how exactly is that different from what just happened? If only those students trapped in those rooms had handguns with which to fire back.... perhaps they could have dropped the bastard before he took out so many.
So instead of having one isolated incident with limitted casualties every now and then, we let everyone have guns? Yea, go back to the wild west days, surely that's the most reasonable solution.

This is why the only practical solution is to require everybody to carry a weapon at all times, teach everybody how to respect such a weapon, and how to use it effectively. Also, of course, make sure they know when to use it, and when not to use it...

I know that's not a popular idea, and of course people will point out drunk/stupid people will run around wildly shooting random strangers, I ask how exactly is that different from what just happened? If only those students trapped in those rooms had handguns with which to fire back.... perhaps they could have dropped the bastard before he took out so many.

Setting aside the ridiculousness and lack of practicality of this post, I don't think this situation would be improved by tons of gun toting adolescents lashing out in anger on the campus. If there's one thing that isn't needed, it is weapons on college campuses, where half the population is intoxicated half the week.

You're trying to accomplish security through mutual fear, kind of like the video camera in the convenience store, i don't see why you don't just go full bore big brother and just put cameras and walls up everywhere 1984 style

Personally I'd be fucking PISSED if I was a student there.

They don't allow students and staff to have weapons with which to defend themselves, and then the best the cops can do is a 2 hour turn-around and even then there is obviously not enough police in the area to take on such a large scale incident?

Shame.

Yeah, the solution to gun crimes is.... GUNS FOR EVERYBODY. That is the most hilariously dumb thing I've ever heard. Throwing more guns at guns, that's the American way!

That's what I said a few pages back. Allow concealed carry for the employees at least.

This is not the thread for your faggot ass political debate. You are such a douchebag.

Trust me, if you as a student were allowed to carry a gun on campus to "protect yourself" from incidents like this, you'd end up getting blasted by cops or another reckless student who thinks you're the bad guy. Terrible idea.

As much as I support gun rights and that people should be allowed to own and carry guns anywhere they wish... that's an absurd idea Tef. You know that. There is a 0% chance that everyone will respect that firearm and use it properly. Especially, ESPECIALLY college students.

The practical solution to prevent this from happening again is to have a better lockdown system in place, a better way to alert all students and an increased police force.

might acually be a good idea, and could backfire too

The only way it could 'backfire' is if somebody carrying a weapon were to start off on a shooting rampage. Next thing you know, that somebody would be dropped by any number of individuals around the instigator.

We should at least give those who have proven themselves to be responsible the right to carry their weapon. You could always have a gun check at the door of a frat party or something similar.

First of all you have to understand the attitude of the campus. We dealt with morva earlier in the year and they made a huge deal out of it and scared alot of people---but most of the people weren't in danger. Also, we have had 2 bomb threats in the last 2 weeks. We were all kinda of the attitude "oh no big deal" I didn't get an email about the first incident until 2 hours after it happened.

And it said "there is a gunman stay inside." So I thought, "no biggie...i might not have class..sweet" (since they canceled classes for the bomb threats). I am sure most people on campus didn't think anything of the first incident.

Yeah, when I had first heard about it as well, I was like "no big deal, someone just got pissed off and shot someone else" However, with the shooter still on the loose, they should have determined a perp and warned other people to be on the lookout. Unless the shooting happened in a dark alley, I don't see how there weren't witnesses to the initial shooting that could have pointed out which way the perp went.

So instead of having one isolated incident with limitted casualties every now and then, we let everyone have guns? Yea, go back to the wild west days, surely that's the most reasonable solution.

Stop feeding the trolls, and stop being one.

AkumA;11413040']you are stupid. really really stupid.
You're right. I'll just pretend to care like everyone else.

Disregard my previous post.

OH JESUS CHRIST, THEY PUT JACK THOMPSON ON THE AIR AT FNC.

Are you serious? Goddammit...