Mage 41-20-0??

My build (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=kw0VcofzxIzioVgrz c) with the option of killing improved fire blast and popping the points into master of elements:

I'm looking at high damage potential without burning through mana too quick, but also the ability to burn down a target quick when needed. With arcane, you have 40% reduced threat built in. Arcane blast, arcane blast (now stacked twice with 8sec debuff), fireblast, scorch, scorch, scorch (at this point the AB debuff will time out) - start over. Seems very efficient, you got the ap/pom/pyro bit if you want, the ability to burn down with arcane blast if needed, and a very mana efficient regular spell rotation. Not only that, but you got a 50% chance that you'll proc clearcasting while you have two AB buffs down, giving you a free third blast.

And for pvp you got that improved cs and slow.


I don't see people using this, but it sounds like it would just absolutely rock. Any thoughts?



edit: another build WorldofWarcraft.com -> Info -> Classes -> Mage -> Talent Calculator (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents.html?250005030023 0150330125105520201230000 0000000000000000000000000 00000)

Persnally never seen anyone go that far into Arcane. I liked some of the talents, but not enough in their present positions to justify spending that many talent points to get them.

WTF is the point of scorch anyway? Low damage wannabe fireball.

I don't know how viable it is anymore since they added the new talents and the whole rolling ignite thing, but some fire builds were built around imp scorch. You could spam scorch to keep the debuff up and receive similar DPS for better efficiency.

I'm pretty sure I passed over Scorch in talents, mainly because is seems like a "quick fireball" option. I only really use it to hit a running mob or one that's almost dead.

But what are hte main points of Arcane?

1. Reduced threat with Arcane.
2. Less resistance to Arcane.
3. Intellect buff.
4. Greater firepower at cost of greater mana.

I can't honestly justify going past tier 2 in Arcane, a couple of nice things later on but the points could be better spent. And the +spell damage for more mana cost? WTH is up with that? Why do that when you can use Frost and Fire spells with just as much damage and less mana?

1. I wasn't a scorch fan until I tried it last week. Low mana, high crit rate, fast spam spell (the debuff doesn't fade). The 15% builds up fast in instances and does make a big difference. You really should try it out. I'm doing probably 20% more damage now.


Feeannag, did you read my post?

1. I wasn't a scorch fan until I tried it last week. Low mana, high crit rate, fast spam spell (the debuff doesn't fade). The 15% builds up fast in instances and does make a big difference. You really should try it out. I'm doing probably 20% more damage now.


Feeannag, did you read my post?


the mana you saving and damage that scorch does with the crit is null when compared to just spamming fire ball. spamming scorch until you get the debuff up, Yes. Casting it over and over as opposed to just spamming fireball is retarded.

Also when you get master of elements you are getting a base of your mana back for critting with your fireball spell. Factor in empowered fireball and it seals the deal.

If you want a mana efficient way to do tons and tons of dps as a mage. Fire is your best bet. I've tested this and talked to other mages in my guild for a few months last winter.

in a raid setting. this spec is most mana efficent highest dps spec

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=kf0VZxxGzfcIoeRt0 h)

Im not gonna disagree on fire being an amazing pve spec, but scorch is an amazing spell

Yeah I read it. I'd rather go all Frost or all Flame though. If they fix Arcane up a bit more in the future then maybe. But the way I see it, you get more with the other two due to all the spells they can do. Offensively how much does Arcane have in comparison to the other two? Missiles and Explosion and Blast?

Though you may be able to do more dps as fire, I always had more than enough anyways. Going arcane draws less threat so I can put out more damage without becoming an impromptu tank.

I won't have time later to fully test out some of the features but I am having no problem PVE with this new spec.

And if you want to talk damage output without regard to mana drain then there's no question: Spamming arcane blast trumps fire easily.

i was 41-20 for awhile.. i thought "hey, less threat, more spell damage and int.. GG" but it just cant keep up with pure fire in pve unless you spam nothing but arcane blast

Though you may be able to do more dps as fire, I always had more than enough anyways. Going arcane draws less threat so I can put out more damage without becoming an impromptu tank.

I won't have time later to fully test out some of the features but I am having no problem PVE with this new spec.

And if you want to talk damage output without regard to mana drain then there's no question: Spamming arcane blast trumps fire easily.

No. Arcane blast does not beat out spamming fire. You're wrong.

Arcane blast is good on paper but master of elements with combustion keeps you head and shoulders above someone spamming arcane blast.

For small 5v5 fights Arcane blast is better... At times like trash pulls lol. In serious raiding you are going to dump ALL of your mana on a long fight. then watch the fire mages pound you in dps as you wonder where the fuck your mana went.

Master of elements will give you 30% of the cost of your fireball mana cost back on spell crit. Combustion in this case will cause you do do EVEN MORE damage while giving you mana back. every single time you crit you are going to get 30 mana back. clear casting will proc often saving you tons of mana right off the bat. having molten armor up is going to give your crit rate a 3% boost making you even more efficient in spending mana That along with sham/pally buffs and evocation there is no reason why you will go out of mana as a fire mage.

Arcane blast is only do able in trash 5 man pulls... Then when you think about it. you could use scorch for the debuff.. wait for molten fury to be an optition (after 20%) then just get amazing numbers with fireball.


All arcane fire does is makes you a Glass cannon wth a 3 minuet fuse and give you big numbers. Its not even wise for pvp anymore. A good intelligence ice mage will stomp a mud hole in your ass.

just switched back to the 10/48/3 build. Arcane blast DID on the 41/20 spec did outperform FB on the 10/48/3 build in terms of ability to burn something down quick like no other but I was feeling the mana drain even in short boss encounters. plus the rotation is hard to keep up with compared to the fbx5/scorch chain.