So ... now Imp. Sap is going to be free, so ...Error|550 04-13-2007, 05:00 PM Daggers or off-hand? Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=whxboEbsizVoG0Ez0 L) - Daggers Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=whxboEbsizVoG0Ez0 m) - Off-hand Thoughts? HaPpY 04-13-2007, 05:17 PM why does no1 ever realize the power of a backstab spec? i've yet to see a profile with imp backstab. Tekno 04-13-2007, 05:34 PM not everyone wants to be daggers premed. just because they don't spec it doesn't mean they don't know how good it is. Lukeris 04-13-2007, 05:53 PM why does no1 ever realize the power of a backstab spec? i've yet to see a profile with imp backstab. Why backstab when you could mutilate? I think there's only one or two situations where you can't Mutilate but you can BS. Sailyn 04-13-2007, 06:05 PM Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=w0eboExoizVoGcV0b V) You need Imp. SnD if that's for raiding. Edit - I didn't Imp. Evis because of Envenom, but the last time I was mutilate was just at 70 so I'm not sure if Imp. Evis + DP charges comes out to be more damage than a ~4200 envenom crit, ~1500 envenom hit now. If it is, just drop the 2 pts in murder and 1 pt from Imp. poisons and fill out Imp. evis. Tekno 04-13-2007, 06:11 PM there shouldnt be any reason not to envenom during raids imo, its just better dmg wise, damn resist :[ Sailyn 04-13-2007, 06:57 PM there shouldnt be any reason not to envenom during raids imo, its just better dmg wise, damn resist :[ Well it depends on your gear. There's a point where rupture/evis + DP ticking will balanced out the damage from higher envenoms. I haven't really been paying attention to Mutilate lately because I'm combat fist and don't have any plans to go 41/20, but I know that's one of the big things recently. HaPpY 04-13-2007, 07:00 PM Why backstab when you could mutilate? I think there's only one or two situations where you can't Mutilate but you can BS. backstab has imp backstab (30% more crit), muti doesnt. and in order to maximize muti damage you need to spec duel wield spec and get a slower offhand, which reduces chances of poisoning. furthermore its a weaker opener than backstab unless the target is already poisoned. its good, but i dont see it as a replacement. edit: also if you spec for the 41 talent in combat you'll get another 10% dmg to backstab. if you were to do a damage over time simulation between a muti 41/?/5 spec and a 15/41/5 backstab spec you may find that backstab may actually yield more dmg. HaPpY 04-13-2007, 07:16 PM also you're forgetting opportunity, a must for muti imo. Sailyn 04-13-2007, 07:27 PM also you're forgetting opportunity, a must for muti imo. Not for raiding. DW spec > opp. Gringo 04-13-2007, 08:05 PM erm, get DW spec and opp. Over time and considering PvE, backstab will ALWAYS do more damage than mutilate, sorry. Sailyn 04-13-2007, 09:01 PM erm, get DW spec and opp. Over time and considering PvE, backstab will ALWAYS do more damage than mutilate, sorry. Well yeah that's assuming you're combat daggers, which is a better spec as it stands now, but the OP was talking about Muti builds. Gringo 04-13-2007, 09:29 PM well he mentioned specs and you mentioned raiding, and i know we're not swinging fists here... nvm, i cant read tonight | ||