Druids seriously need to be fucking nerfed.

All I can say is when they are a warrior, shaman, and rogue combined, something needs to be done. How about giving them a cooldown on their transormations so they aren't fucking invulnerable super fast fuckheads.

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The only thing OP about druids is CYCLONE. Honestly when they can just chain CC a healer and there's nothing to do to get out of it...

until you play one, you can't really call them overpowered

they are really just gimps of every class in the game

can do everything but end the end don't excel at anything - and talents just totally force you to 1 role to pick

until you play one, you can't really call them overpowered

they are really just gimps of every class in the game

can do everything but end the end don't excel at anything - and talents just totally force you to 1 role to pick
Versatility. Perhaps you are just bad and don't know how to use their abilities to full potential, ever think about that?

Versatility. Perhaps you are just bad and don't know how to use their abilities to full potential, ever think about that?
Versatility. Right.


Every class can be versatile, hybrids especially. Using versatile as a filler word to describe a class gets really old.

But face it - their melee dps will never top a rogue or even a fury warrior, their healing will never top a holy priest, and their tanking will never top a prot warrior. In a nutshell, they are a gimp of every class like i said. I took my druid to 60, quit him after acouple months of raiding and enduring blizz's HORRIBLE druid itemization (pre-BC), came back to him with expansion....and just sold him after get lvl 62 in acouple nights. I'm sure some people really dig them (i think i just hate hybrids in general), but they are far from overpowered. The day they can do all their roles BETTER than the class who's main role that is, then you can cry OP.

If they do 80% of the damage a rogue or fury warr. does, 80% the healing of a priest, and 80% of the tankin a prot. warr. can do. Then they're pretty overpowered amirite.

If they do 80% of the damage a rogue or fury warr. does, 80% the healing of a priest, and 80% of the tankin a prot. warr. can do. Then they're pretty overpowered amirite.

all at the same time amirite?? bear dps is pretty OP i'll admit but the rest of the class is pretty "balanced" your healing is terrible if you are feral or your dps is terrible if you are resto .. just like all other classes that can spec for healing or dps..

I've seen bears tank the curator and top the damage meter at the same time. That's fairly broken, it doesn't matter how gimp and retardedly put together the rest of the group was. All the stuff that was put in or changed around to make them useful in groups outside of being forced into main tank healing in raids only had the side effect of making them retardedly overpowered in PvP.

And to the people who say you can't do it all at the same time, you're right. But you can sneak around and smoke somebody a good 50% out of stealth before they can really react (and then watch while they get assist trained), shift out and CC a few people and maybe toss an innervate or insta-heal before bearform pingpong charging around while nigh unkillable and uncontrollable.

The only saving grace right now is that most druids are such horrible players that they don't take advantage of all their tools. They'll decide that they're spec'd feral and they won't leave cat/bear form, or resto so they walk around in tree form in PVP (which is fine with me, i just banish the retards). In the hands of a good player they're dangerous.

because they're all 51/51/51 specced. amirite?

bear dps is lol

Versatility. Right.


Every class can be versatile, hybrids especially. Using versatile as a filler word to describe a class gets really old.

But face it - their melee dps will never top a rogue or even a fury warrior, their healing will never top a holy priest, and their tanking will never top a prot warrior. In a nutshell, they are a gimp of every class like i said. I took my druid to 60, quit him after acouple months of raiding and enduring blizz's HORRIBLE druid itemization (pre-BC), came back to him with expansion....and just sold him after get lvl 62 in acouple nights. I'm sure some people really dig them (i think i just hate hybrids in general), but they are far from overpowered. The day they can do all their roles BETTER than the class who's main role that is, then you can cry OP.

Yeah, I'm sure that top guilds use bear tanks on Gruul just because their warriors are bored and don't want to tank.

Oh and a resto druid outhealed a holy priest in my Kara group last night, but the priest probably wasn't trying to keep people alive or anything.

Pre TBC I never had problems on my warrior with druids - post TBC I get assraped. I'm still in awe how they get weapons with 500+ attack power :/

whoa wtf, bears topping dps charts? uhm, this might be a different game then im playing.

One of our feral druids out dps's our warriors with teir 1 blacksmithing weapons while TANKING. This alone tells me they need their feral talents reworked. Overall I think druids are pretty alright besides that, Balance needs a slight rework at the bottom of the tree and ToL is still gimp though. Feral desperately needs something done, since bear druids can do insane damage with no tradeoff AND cats can do ridiculous burst all in one tree. The talents need to be redistributed so that each point affects only bear form or cat form, not both.

Right now from a PvE standpoint theres nothing a warrior can do better than a druid really. Bears do far more dps than warriors while tanking, cats do more damage than us when not tanking, they give the party 5% crit and periodic heals (imp LoTP), PLUS they can pop out and put out some sub-par healing if the fight goes bad or whatever.

Pre TBC I never had problems on my warrior with druids - post TBC I get assraped. I'm still in awe how they get weapons with 500+ attack power :/

the AP offsets the fact that they don't get procs or weapon damage in feral forms.

a weapon could have 2000dps and the druid would get 0 while in feral forms.

talk smack about druids once you're all in full T5 with a weapon that drops in one of those instances, then tell me how OP druids are.

standpoint theres nothing a warrior can do better than a druid really. Bears do far more dps than warriors while tanking, cats do more damage than us when not tanking, they give the party 5% crit and periodic heals (imp LoTP), PLUS they can pop out and put out some sub-par healing if the fight goes bad or whatever.

Doing Sethekk Halls with said feral druid I felt gimper as a Warrior than I'd ever felt before...he not only held aggro better than me but he SMOKED me on the damage meters right out the gate doing nothing but tanking in bearform.

As Endless Rage/Piercing Howl spec I eventually outran him on the damage meters by a fair margin, make no mistake -- but in doing so I basically had to stop tanking altogether, chain popping my trinket and doing my best to pull aggro off him momentarily so I could eat a few more melee swings for rage, while he had his cake and ate it too.

That's not druid empowerment. That's a balance issue, and it needs to be promptly addressed.

My arena 5v5 team of 2 warlocks, 1 hunter, 1 priest and 1 paladin have absolutely no problem controlling druids. We switch off fear rotations on them, i fear for 12 seconds, fear for 6 seconds, fear for 3 seconds, hunter fears for 12 seconds, fears for 6 seconds, fears for 3 seconds. If the druid breaks bear to avoid fearing again, we focus fire and he's dead before the scare beast wears off.

Druids are ridiculously tough in 1v1 situations and smaller groups, but as the gear has evened out - as I leveled to 70 and as I acquire more spell dmg/hp I have little trouble taking care of them now.

PvE wise, in my experience, its better to have druid tanks in karazahn for at least fights through illhoof, seeing as they can aid in dps far greater then a prot spec warrior, but if you have shitty healers, the prot spec blocking/parrying shit is alot better then 4-5% dmg absorbed. Our prot warrior was getting crit on some mobs for 5k, whereas the druid was taking 4.5k most of the time, however the parries and blocks, according to our shitty healers, made the warrior a lot easier to heal.

The shittyness of protection warriors though seems to coincide with the uselessness of shaman beyond an occasional bloodlust in these instances. Now that we're starting to get an influx of paladin's, if it comes down to it we take a paladin over a shaman healing wise, and a shadow priest over a shaman dps wise. Totems are nice, but thats about the biggest benefit they provide to the raid.

Do some classes need to get fixed? yeah, but I don't think it should be by nerfing another class. Give warriors and shaman a few buffs, leave everyone else alone; they're fine.

I was going to say something about how I was talking about PVP not PVE, then I remembered that we have a feral druid MT Karazhan and Gruul's Lair with 18000 HP

Don't forget how he gives the group he's in some pretty sweet buffs too.

Edit: And yeah, not being able to Divine Shield out of Cyclone is just dumb as hell.