Alliance Shamans and Horde Paladins

at least shamans are a fun pvp class

time for me to respec and then finish leveling my rogue

Probably just activating the nerf that was supposed to go live with 1.12 where it only procs off white damage. They also made mention that some buffs will not stack (ala windfury + crit stones) so who knows atm.

WF doesn't stack with any weapon buff such as sharpening stones, mana/wizard oils, etc.

The majority of complaints I've seen have been from alliance easy moders. I recently got to watch an alliance pve raid on AQ and then BWL and was almost sick to my stomach. 5 pallies, entire raid buffed, someone pulls aggro, the pally does some shit to them and aggro goes back to MT. Blessing of Wisdom > mana tide and mana totem combined. Blessing of Kings means alliance have that much more of a buffer for learning encounters. Blessing of Might > WF totem but because people see burst damage they don't think so.

Shamans have an advantage in burst dps but in group pvp and pve paladins are x100 more useful. This is good for horde because I am tired of losing people to alliance and then seeing alliance noob guilds roll through hard encounters and not having to know how to actually play since a pally can just bail them out. I hope, for shamans' sake, that they do revamp the shaman heavily.

but in group pvp

both paladins and shamans have their perks in group pvp, one isn't clearly better than the other

1.5 heal, purge, wf totem, and an interrupt that costs 30 mana on a 5-6 second cooldown, 600dmg to help frontload

vs

2.5 heal (i guess 1.5 with timers up), cleanse, bubble, bof/bop, infinite mana (comparatively)

tier 3 helps w/ shaman mana issues too

i'll agree with your pve gripes, although they dont really bother me very much

1.5 heal, purge, wf totem, and an interrupt that costs 30 mana on a 5-6 second cooldown, 600dmg to help frontload

vs

2.5 heal (i guess 1.5 with timers up), cleanse, bubble, bof/bop, infinite mana (comparatively)

tier 3 helps w/ shaman mana issues too

i'll agree with your pve gripes, although they dont really bother me very much

max rank earthshock costs almost 500 mana untalented not 30...

tier 3 is fabulous for healbot shammies but healbot shammies have always sucked in pvp because they can not get anyone off of them and have to stand still to heal.

After expansion the healbot shammy will disappear from pvp groups because they are easily the worst pvp healers.

Ideally they will provide shaman with different utility that makes them useful.

max rank earthshock costs almost 500 mana untalented not 30...

tier 3 is fabulous for healbot shammies but healbot shammies have always sucked in pvp because they can not get anyone off of them and have to stand still to heal.

After expansion the healbot shammy will disappear from pvp groups because they are easily the worst pvp healers.

Ideally they will provide shaman with different utility that makes them useful.

rank 1 costs 30; i only use max rank if im helping to put someone down

i have 6000 armor and eye of the storm when im pvping, people can focus me all they like while my group shits on them

nm

Eye of the storm is great but it does not change the fact that shaman are easily the worst pvp healers.

When playing pugs shaman are fine healers cause people just sit there attacking warriors like newbs. Against a real team shaman is always one of the first that gets rolled.

rank 1 costs 30; i only use max rank if im helping to put someone down

i have 6000 armor and eye of the storm when im pvping, people can focus me all they like while my group shits on them


Does the rank 1 get resisted alot in pvp farty? I just started playing my shaman again after nearly 1.5 years off due to the lack of games out there. I respec'd enhance to test out the "buffed" weapon totems for raids heh. I enjoyed being a WF bot in BG's though pissing off warriors and pallys. :)

Does the rank 1 get resisted alot in pvp farty? I just started playing my shaman again after nearly 1.5 years off due to the lack of games out there. I respec'd enhance to test out the "buffed" weapon totems for raids heh. I enjoyed being a WF bot in BG's though pissing off warriors and pallys. :)

nah, spell resists aren't based on the rank of your spell

and to booty my guild consistantly does well against organized groups on test, and we never run a group without a shaman--and our shaman never go down--i guess we are just lucky?

nah, spell resists aren't based on the rank of your spell

and to booty my guild consistantly does well against organized groups on test, and we never run a group without a shaman--and our shaman never go down--i guess we are just lucky?

Idk as enhance I do quite well in BG's going 5 to 1 K/D without someone healing me. If ive got another shammy or priest on me I'll just wrack up the kills. Its pretty fun. I've gotta get a better weapon though as im using a DTC since it was the only thing I could really DKP since I came back.

I still think the PVP in this game is pretty poorly done though, more of an afterthough added into a finished PVE game. I'm kinda waiting on WAR to come out.