Alliance Shamans and Horde Paladins

Im trying to think of stuff shaman would be useful for in a raid now.
Mana totem
Poision totem
earthbind totem

I play alliance so im not sure. Any shammys care to enlighten me?
You would bring two shamans, for your melee groups.
One for SoE/WF for 3 (Sword/Mace) Rogues and a (2H) Warrior, or less rogues/more warrs, whatever.

One for SoE/GoA for the dagger rogues and hunters or (Fury) warrs.

You can group swap them to drop a tide if necessary.

Anything else is overkill. (Exceptions to cleanse fights like Visc)

:lol: @ blizzard's balance of the game.

First of all, we plan to allow most of the Shaman and Paladin buff effects to stack, with a few exceptions of course.

This fact alone will keep both shammys and pallys in the raid group. Mana totem + judgement? BoKs + Grace of Air totem?

IMHO this is going to create some crazy DPS.

hahaha, what a half-assed attempt to fix the end-game raiding imbalance between Horde and Alliance

way to make Shamans even more useless

yah seriously... wtf. Im fucking pissed my shaman is gonna be almost worthless now when the fucking expansion comes out. Fuck that. Jack off on my face. i need bukkake treatment.

yah seriously... wtf. Im fucking pissed my shaman is gonna be almost worthless now when the fucking expansion comes out. Fuck that. Jack off on my face. i need bukkake treatment.
:hurry:

neet

i'll be sticking with my shaman tho

NR totem. only resist paly doen't have that shamans have a totem for. We might see more NR fights so we'll need them then.

lol total cop out

Why take a Shammy when you can take a Paly?

From a lore point of view(like blizzard hasnt already destroyed the lore) how the hell can a paly and undead(forsaken) coexist?

so....when does Warhammer online come out?

They've been coexisting through the Argent Dawn since the game came out.

lFrom a lore point of view(like blizzard hasnt already destroyed the lore) how the hell can a paly and undead(forsaken) coexist?
Same could be said for Holy priests, especially undead holy priests :shock:

But it is a total copout. Instead of taking the time to maybe add a new class into the game, they just destroy the uniqueness of both factions and take an easy way out to balance end game raiding. I was somewhat excited for it, but now I'm up in the air after reading quite a few arguments about it

Im trying to think of stuff shaman would be useful for in a raid now.
Mana totem
Poision totem
earthbind totem

I play alliance so im not sure. Any shammys care to enlighten me?

Most critters in instances (even trash) are immune to snare effects so eb is worthless.

Shaman will still be useful but in a different capacity. Currently we (poorly) performed the role of raid buffers. So many guilds, including mine, brought more shaman to a raid than was probably appropriate.

After the expansion pallies will admirably perform the roll of raid buffers and shaman will be delegated to dropping group specific buffs for only the classes that have particular importance based on the encounter.

Windfury is nerfed, you can bank on that. They just wisened up and decided to wait to nerf it instead of raping horde for 4-6 months.

If hunters are important grace of air + mana spring is super.
Rogues Str+agi.

etc.
I expect that shaman will get totems to specifically buff +healing, +damage in some way so that they can help any raid role.



As far as what shaman will bring to an alliance raid clearly they will help for disease cure and poison cures for those gimmicky encounters.

You will also have a shaman in mt group always for agility and str totems. Mana tide can be very useful to a hunter or main healer group.

Given a handpicked group, Shaman can give them really good buffs. I suspect you will hear the most joy from your hunters and melee though. Alliance casters have had it good for so long I do not think they will notice too much.

The real problem is what the hell am i gonna do with the 8-9 shaman in my guild when we start bringing 3 shaman to raids. I am probably going to need 3-4 guys to reroll from characters who have been wearing all epics for 6+ months, pretty painful.

I know alliance always thinks horde was just whining about nothing but it will not take you long to see what was going on. Pallies heal better, they buff better and they can clean up 'oshit' situations so damn well. Horde is drooling at the notion of having pallies in pve and pvp.

I really really hope they either nerf both sides buffs, or don't allow some to stack. Might and windfury would just be fucking stupid.

you nerds complaining about 'lore' and 'blizzard messing up the lore', need to get over yourselves and stfu.

BLIZZARD MADE THE LORE, THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THE FUCK THEY WANT TO IT.

Same reason i hate dicktwits who cry and cry about Lucas & the Star Wars saga.

SELL YOUR SHAMANS NOW

so does this mean blood elf priests get a fear ward? then there will be no unbalances ;-D

Yeah, if alliance gear WotF and warstomp :)

Bringing a Shaman so it's buffs can stack with a Paladin's buffs isn't going to increase the raid dps by more than simply keeping the guy you're benching by putting a shammy in the raid in the first place. *Especially* since shaman buffs only effect their group, and not the whole raid - that will ultimately be their downfall as they can't make a big enough impact to justify bringing them.

Sub par heals, sub par damage and their buffs while useful can't effect enough people in the raid to offset what's lost by simply having them in the first place.

Alliance raids will stay pretty much the same as they already are at the high end with 5-ish of most classes and about 2 warlocks and 2 shaman unless they bring something huge to the table post-60 in both cases that we aren't aware of. It'd have to be some mind boggling can't live without it new game mechanic though.

Also the fact that their loot is going to start dropping in our instances is hilarious and I imagine it'll be the final nail in the MC/BWL coffin. It'd just serve to draw out the whole tier 1/2 thing and people could just go to AQ and be assigned loot for their new characters instead of waiting for their class pieces to drop. After all that stuff is still going to be viable for levelling up and starting to raid level 70 content.

That being said the token system is going to need to be modified now.

All shamans will go Enhancement and Elemental now.

so first blood elves shoot down dranei ships, and now they steal the holy light of pally's. I'm starting to like these guys

When I first saw that I honestly thought it was a joke. Lore-wise, it's on par with some 3rd rate paperback in the bottom of the bargain bin at Barnes and Nobles. Gameplay-wise it's a half-assed attempt to "balance" out both sides PvE and PvP. Way I see it PvP side now that the whole Shaman vs. Paladin thing is out of the way the imbalance will swiftly move to racial bonuses. Of which Horde clearly wins at present, and then Blizzard will attempt to "balance" that as well.

Also it's a pretty obvious ploy to keep people playing with less content. Even without the content in the expansion it will take some time to amass enough Horde pallies and Alliance shamans to have a noticeable effect. Assuming people aren't botting to do so, which I suspect they will but I think Blizzard is just asking for that.

Not to mention the Draenei paladin on the page just looks stupid for some reason.

so first blood elves shoot down dranei ships, and now they steal the holy light of pally's. I'm starting to like these guys

The way the lore is going downhill and completely not on par with their usual creativity it wouldn't surprise me if they plan an impending Starcraft/Warcraft collision. Like the Zerg showing up and attacking the Burning Legion and assimilate them into the Burning Swarm. And warlocks will turn into a hero class of Zerglings. And Protoss can show up being like techno-pallies assisting the Alliance and Terrans can be mutated by the Burning Swarm to serve the Horde.

... Or something along those lines. Really hurts to think about it.