Glimpse of Rogue Review

No, and this is why EA sucks in 98% of all fights. Stop argueing the trivial idea that EA isn't "useless" by saying "it's useful in 2 fights in the entire game". No one cares if EA is SOMEWHAT useful in extremely rare occasions, for being a finishing move it is WASTED the vast majority of the time.

The AP buff talent, depending on where it is in the tree sounds appealing, but im more curious about the +weapon skill as that adds +hit,+crit, and less glancing blows on high end raid bosses.

I have a feeling the new imp kidney shot will be a joke, like a 3 or 5 point talent yielding 3% or 5% extra dmg while the target is stunned. If it's still in the same place as before, it would still be a pretty crappy talent.

Drysc has pretty much said that EA will stack with sunder in the next patch.

No, and this is why EA sucks in 98% of all fights.
Doesn't every class has abilities like that? Much like ever class has useless talents?

Umm no?

Just yesterday some newb rogue in my pug scholo group would EA mobs and I would receive the "A more powerfull spell is already in effect" when id try to sunder.

EDIT: And yes, what JX said. It all depends on what the tree's look like and the values of what they have stated. But overall it seems like a boost to PvP for rogues and a meh for PvE (depending on some of the values of the talents they described).

They stack...its all im going to say.

You guys are fucking nuts. I tried it again tonight and they don't stack, regardless of power or quantity.

hmmm testing

well, used it when 5 sunders where on and nothing happened, but it used by combo points :p I'm thinking in the patch it will stack.

Is this enough or are you people still going to argue for a broken down, worthless ability?
Because luckily I am constantly in a zerg with a shaman* or priest standing behind me, just in case they have IF on, because reducing that extra 1.4k armor doesn't help at all either.

Hi, I'm on alliance, there is indeed two factions to this game, once you establish this you can reply. :sunny:

Drysc has pretty much said that EA will stack with sunder in the next patch.

If they stack post patch, then it'll be a nifty boost for EA.. but then we will have one rogue in our raids be the "EA bitch" :)

EA's usefulness in raids will relay on how the percentage armor reduction is calculated.

If a Warrior applies 5 sunders then the rogue uses EA will it be (Armor Value-2250)*.5 or Armor Value*.5-2250

EA's usefulness in raids will relay on how the percentage armor reduction is calculated.

If a Warrior applies 5 sunders then the rogue uses EA will it be (Armor Value-2250)*.5 or Armor Value*.5-2250
The first.

If it stacked as Armor - EA% - 2250, it would be a *lot* more powerful.

If they stack post patch, then it'll be a nifty boost for EA.. but then we will have one rogue in our raids be the "EA bitch" :)
Lowest person on the DM is the EA bitch.

Is this enough or are you people still going to argue for a broken down, worthless ability?
I'm hoping for the AP and +skill. If I can get reduced cooldowns too that would be icing on the cake. Frankly, I'll be happy if I just get the "cake".

:bigthumb:

So.... A rogue in my guild pasted in raid chat tonight that the devs confirmed that the new EA will NOT stack with sunder. Also, they are NOT changing rupture, contrary to what they said earlier. Oh yeah but garrote will receive around 50% dmg increase :lol: Wooooooo

Thx to blizzard.. Im glad I sold my rogue.

They stack...its all im going to say.
I know that I had hinted at specific functionality, and I take that mistake upon myself for making statements based on information which was not final and/or fully intended. Expose Armor will not stack with Sunder Armor in 1.12.

The changes to make it perform as a percentage is still intended, and it should now give a pretty nice boost against high-armor targets versus the current Expose Armor functionality.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.co m/thread.aspx?fn=wow-rogue&t=1275467&s=blizzard&tmp=1#blizzard

Go for your life.

Not only is this "review" a complete load of shit, they fixed absolutely nothing with it. The new vanish is meh. The new "improved kidney shot" is meh. The fact that eviscerate isn't going to scale and you have to find a book to learn the new rank is, also, meh. Rupture remaining the same and garotte still sucking dick was expected. EA not stacking with sunder, wow. G-fucking-G Drysc for telling people that they couldn't read between the lines, only to come back and say it won't work...

Rogues are going to remain pretty much the same with reworked trees, it seems.

It's nothing to do with Drysc, it's to do with retarded devs who don't post. Atleast get that right, then you'd have a 100% flawless post.

well looks like EA is now worthless... joy

well looks like EA is now worthless... joy
Feral druids with 20k armor

Because luckily I am constantly in a zerg with a shaman* or priest standing behind me, just in case they have IF on, because reducing that extra 1.4k armor doesn't help at all either.

Hi, I'm on alliance, there is indeed two factions to this game, once you establish this you can reply. :sunny:

I play alliance too genius. You don't really need a "zerg", or a shaman for that matter, a smart priest will ALWAYS dispel other priests first to get rid of PW:F, shadow prot, IF, maybe a ward or renew that they have on, as well as taking off their shield every 15 seconds. A priest without a shield is substantially worse off than one with inner fire down.

Having the rogue waste his combo points on EA is pretty retarded. I've never seen an organized PvP group where the rogue isn't just all out DPSing on the priest to force heals onto himself, or stunning the priest to take him out of the fight. Both accomplish the same result in much less time as setting up five combo points to get the whole 1700 armor or w/e.

EA is gonna be useful for taking out high armor targets now, but at least you have that much.

Too bad the entire Rogue class is completely reliant on crippling poison procs for it's only snare, and has no way to close ground on an escaping opponent save a 5 minute cooldown. Hopefully they move imp sprint up the tree or reduce it's talent point cost, 4 minute sprint would have been a perfect base cooldown IMO, 5 minutes is an eternity.

You rogues do realize that this is only a PART of your review. You got 4 completely useless talents changed, you got other talents condensed and lowered in talent points. Some good talents were moved lower in their trees. I am not saying that this is the end all be all of reviews, but it is a fucking nice as shit start.

The problem with making eviscerate scale is either the talent will do less damage for people in blues than it does now, or will do the same for them and significantly higher for all the epic'd out rogues. This means that their damage in PVP would be absolutely insane compared to what it is now. Even though you are looking for a PVE buff, you need to consider what it does for PVP also, and vice versa.

I wish the hunter review gave us things like this. Instead of redoing the beast tree(which end game hunters cant even take, let alone put more than 5 points in), moving some talents lower and gotten rid of the horribly worthless talents(can we say improved serpent sting) would of been much more ideal.