Glimpse of Rogue Review

I would wait until more details are released before coming to any conclusions. They ARE increasing the damage of rupture and eviscerate and who knows what else will change. So far I'm very underwhelmed by the changes since many of the mentioned talents will be out of reach, and I don't see any core skills being adopted (blade flurry, imp kick, riposte, and cold blood would all be good contenders) or mention of shortened cooldowns. I am keeping an open mind however, and hoping that this glimpse is just a small taste of whats to come.

The patch is 100% shit to raiding raids

Our damage doesnt scale at all, and they arent changing it.
You suck at reading then.

The reason rogues had to wait to be last was because, and I quote, "we feel that the rogue is the most complete and balanced class in the game." If they really were one of the most complete and balanced, then they wouldn't be doing these insane buffs. I think that the people at Blizzard get drunk/stoned and then make changes. Some classes get amazing reviews, some get absolute dick. You complain of subtle nerfs, yet warriors get nerfed constantly, as do hunters. The hunter "buff" patch, while semi helpful, was greatly underwhelming and left some seriously worthless talents. I wish Blizzard would fix all the pointless retarded talents the same way they did with imp sprint and imp throwing.

Hunters are still one of the most useful and versatile classes in PvP and somewhat useful in PvE due to tranq fights.

Warriors were rediculous for a while, they've been getting the same treatment as rogues have gotten since -release-.

Rogues have had a ton of useless talents/worthless specs/worthless abilities for a long while now.

JohnnyX, Expose Armor has it's uses in both PVE and PVP. You're bad if you think it's competely useless.

The patch is 100% shit to raiding raids

Our damage doesnt scale at all, and they arent changing it.
:lol:

Next thing you know I'm going to see Warriors complaining about their damage not scaling.

Sorry, but a 5 second stun, or 1800-2k damage with a CB-evisc is worth a ton more to me than taking 1700 armor off a guy with 5k armor minimum, then having to build up my freaking combo points again or wait for my energy to recharge because I just wasted 25 on the EA.

And preventing a person from sundering a target is BAD in PvE. Not just bad, horrible, and any warrior worth his salt will tell you that only bad rogues use Exp. Armor in instances.

I bet you've never even played a rogue, and judging from your past threads you're a pretty bad player yourself... so go ahead and stop posting.

Which past threads out of curiosity?

Anything that is untankable expose armor is fine on, specifically Onyxia in stage 2.

Oh, and you're still bad if you think it's completely useless. The times it's good to use are rare but they do exist.

Yeah, and if some dumbass puts it on there too late, guess what?

It's gonna be a really fun transition to stage three when she lands.

It went from I'm a bad player, because I think it's useless to "the times to use it are 'rare' but they do exist"... could you back down from your argument more?

Give me another example outside ony stage 2, c'thun's vulnerable state? Sunder reduces armor more unless you have talent points into Imp Expose armor. And guess how many people are gonna spec that when you can use it in like three places in the game. Nobody. Useless ability. Case closed.

You're bad if you think it's competely useless.

I said it had it's uses and it's not completely useless. I didn't back down at all. I'd respond more but I feel like I'm about to pass out...

You suck at reading then.
+weapon skill is the only useful thing for raiding guilds really. Eviscerate is a minor change for those who use it for cold blood. Other than that anyone who is hemo spec, gets +AP, is most likely going to be doing far less damage in a raiding circumstance (save for those with 1000+ap unbuffed).

Secondly, anyone who thinks expose armor is useless as is needs major help, the only change they should've made was allowing it to stack with Sunder Armor. However changing it to a percentage is a fucking stupid move on blizzards behalf.

Last but not least, rogue gear does not scale with gear nearly the same as warriors. Anyone who had both would notice this. You get a better weapon? You hit slightly harder. Warriors get a better weapon, they get better rage generation, which in turn produces more dps, and hit harder.

Go figure, our constant flow of energy is better than warriors until you start hitting the epic gear.

Sorry, but a 5 second stun, or 1800-2k damage with a CB-evisc is worth a ton more to me than taking 1700 armor off a guy with 5k armor minimum, then having to build up my freaking combo points again or wait for my energy to recharge because I just wasted 25 on the EA.

Priests.

I tried EA last night and it overtook the warrior's sunders.

I tried EA last night and it overtook the warrior's sunders.
If your EA is more combo points than the Sunder Armor is worth (eg a 5 point EA is 1700) it will override a lesser Sunder.

Eg. 5 point EA(1700) will overtake a 3 point SA(1350)
But 4 points(1360) wont overtake a 4 point SA(1800)

changes look really sweet

can't wait for the talent trees to be released, then i can start dicking around with the new stuff to pick a build for my new rogue

Okay, but when you do this can the warrior still sunder?

The patch is 100% shit to raiding raids

Our damage doesnt scale at all, and they arent changing it.

... you dont get to talk anymore.

How much of a buff rogues get from this talent revamp depends on where the new talents are on the tree... and what other changes are made (I hope to god cooldown times are tweaked)

Okay, but when you do this can the warrior still sunder?


No, and this is why EA sucks in 98% of all fights. Stop argueing the trivial idea that EA isn't "useless" by saying "it's useful in 2 fights in the entire game". No one cares if EA is SOMEWHAT useful in extremely rare occasions, for being a finishing move it is WASTED the vast majority of the time.

The AP buff talent, depending on where it is in the tree sounds appealing, but im more curious about the +weapon skill as that adds +hit,+crit, and less glancing blows on high end raid bosses.

I have a feeling the new imp kidney shot will be a joke, like a 3 or 5 point talent yielding 3% or 5% extra dmg while the target is stunned. If it's still in the same place as before, it would still be a pretty crappy talent.

Priests.

Ugh. I have a priest. If someone used expose armor on me over a KS, I'd pretty much laugh my ass off. People with great gear don't even need to use expose armor to kill you with straight-out DPS, all it really takes is imp ambush/imp backstab and cold blood.

Rogues just don't have the energy unless they trinket or something to squeeze in an expose armor and maintain a stunlock or convert points into damage for max DPS. If they actually used expose armor, I'd fear them and heal or desperate prayer and they'd be right back at square one.

And using expose armor on a priest with anything less than 5 combo points can be accomplished by any other classes through the simple offensive dispel, because all good priests in PvP have inner fire up. Basically if you ever waste 5 CPs on an EA on a priest, you're doing the same thing another priest or a shaman could do for about 150ish mana in a second.

It's vastly superior to prevent them from healing for ~13 seconds if they're in a group, or convert every combo point into DPS if you want to try and kill them with burst DPS.

Is this enough or are you people still going to argue for a broken down, worthless ability?