Warrior Vs Warlock ( a how to question )

So I have my warrior :

59
Arms Spec/fury extra
Fury Visor
Soldiers Pendant
Warstrike cape
An'arisha Scale Chest ( BRD Drop from arena )+3
Valor Bracers (+7 str)
Blood Guards Guants +7 agil
Cloudkeeper legs ( epic +20 to agil, str. stam 675AR )
Saphrions boots +7 agil
Myrms Signet
Soldiers Ring
Grunts Insig
various other trinkets ( one to include fear resist for 10 secs and +10 resist )

Weps:
Lord Alexander Axe +7 dmg
Fist of Omokk ( 2h hammer +29str -13 stam )
krol Blade +15 agil
Aegis Of stormwind

Tauren

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In the BGs I can beat almost every pally, rogue, druid, hunter, preist (shadow)...mages give me a bit f trouble, but nothing i cant overcome normally.

However, warlocks are another thing. Hunters I can ignore thier pet... kill the hunter. Warlocks chain fear dot, all the while the pet is fireballing me. I go after the pet the lock starts mana dumping, I try and kill the lock and get kited, with CoH and dots and pet. Crits of 1000+ with average 300-500 dmg. Fucking lock has a ton of HPs and surviveabilty. I kill them, with a few luck hits and SRP's and if my fear trinket is up.

What am i missing? I get killed by them more than I kill them?

Is there a strat I'm not doing or is it my spec?

Berserker Rage and whatever anti-fear trinkets you can use. Hamstring and win.

Random tidbits from my end on Warrior vs. Warlock:

- Soul Link Warlocks are much harder to kill than normal cloth due to the damage split between pets. However, your damage even in tanking gear w/a decent 2-hander is probably sufficient to use the standard strategy of ignoring the pet except as a target of opportunity and just wailing on the lock. Even with damage reduction and shitloads of stam, they'll be feeling your crits.

- If you see the lock cast anything that's not insta-cast, Pummel, Pummel, Pummel! Against a good Lock the only things they're going to be casting when you're right in their face are Fear or Howl of Terror, and an ounce of prevention (Pummel) is worth a pound of cure (Zerker Rage).

- If you get to make the first move on the lock with Charge or Intercept, try to stay in Battle Stance if the lock isn't targeting you for Fear (usually in group PvP). If it's 1v1 and you have good reflexes, stay in Battle Stance for as long as you can to reduce the damage, then switch to Zerker Stance as quick as you can if you smell a Fear coming (don't change stance for Seduce, though, use your fear bomb instead). It's gonna be a painful fight, but it's only gonna be more painful if you're not in stance for Berserker Rage and Pummel.

- Against Imp, just ignore the little guy unless he's not Phase Shifted (although really, what the hell kind of Warlock PvPs with Imp un-Phase Shifted?). In that case, try to one-shot him if you're not in immediate danger of being Fear kited. That takes care of Soul Link for you if you're up against a Soul Link lock.

- Against Voidwalker (if you ever see one), just ignore them, but be extra careful of your health, because once Sacrifice comes up, if it's down to the wire with your health, the Warlock could easily pull ahead in the damage race.

- Succ is the most dangerous PvP pet by far due to Seduce. Since you can't break Seduce unless you're Undead (I think, I haven't ever played a UD Warrior at endgame), I vote you just eat the first Seduce and take it like a man (if the Warlock hasn't banged you up too bad), and save your Intimidating Shout to interrupt the second Seduce. Try to do this as early on in the fight as you can so that you won't escape a clutch Seduce only to get nuked by Death Coil for the killing blow.

- Against Felhunter, don't strike the pet at all. That attack power-reducing debuff sucks ass. Just Intimidating Shout him away if he's being a bitch.

- Try to apply as much pressure as you can to them early on in the fight so that they panic and blow Death Coil as early in the fight as possible. Death Coil's Fear can't be broken and it does pretty nasty damage, so do your damnedest to Pummel their Fears, fear bomb their Succubus out of attempted Seductions, and break/pre-empt their Fears with Berserker Rage. Death Coil is a lock's ace in the hole against melee, and if you can get them to blow it while you still have a lot of health, you stand a pretty good chance of winning.

- Keep Mortal Strike debuff on the lock at all times, because some of them like to be cheeky and Drain Life, and having them get back less life from Death Coil is always a bonus.

As long as you have Mortal Strike and a good 2-hander, there's hope. If you don't have MS, um...pray. Pray long and pray hard.

Why do you have a krol

Tanking only.


The locks I am having trouble with are the curse spec, ones.

Tanking only.


The locks I am having trouble with are the curse spec, ones.

Just stay on their nuts, then, and do your damnedest to outdamage their dots. If they're SM specced, they have Nightfall too, so they also have instant cast Shadow Bolt at their disposal if they load you down with dots. Affliction 'locks are less trouble than Soul Link locks, though.

Affliction!!! Thats what it's called.

They seem to kite pretty well, with the curse of exhaution, of course I pop my trinket but they just return the favor and cast it again.

They never win with more than half health ( usually less ) unless there are 2-3 on me.

I did do the zerk stance, and that seemed to help ( pummel ) but the 30 min cool down on recklessness was not helpful. I'm not speced far enough into fury atm to get deathwish.

Yeah, I hate warlocks.

But I also find it hard to believe you beat most paladins 1vs1...they must be complete idiots.

Affliction!!! Thats what it's called.

They seem to kite pretty well, with the curse of exhaution, of course I pop my trinket but they just return the favor and cast it again.

They never win with more than half health ( usually less ) unless there are 2-3 on me.

I did do the zerk stance, and that seemed to help ( pummel ) but the 30 min cool down on recklessness was not helpful. I'm not speced far enough into fury atm to get deathwish.

Generally, you do not want to pop Recklessness/Death Wish against a Warlock, ever, because (1) you'll almost never need it, except maybe if you DESPERATELY need a killing blow on a near-dead Soul Link lock, and (2) because the LAST thing you need against a Warlock is increased damage taken from dots. If you don't kill them IMMEDIATELY after popping Reck/Death Wish, you're going to get ripped to pieces by dot damage and/or a well-placed Death Coil/Shadow Bolt/Shadowburn/Conflag.

Hell, generally, I wouldn't even TOUCH Recklessness/Death Wish unless I was SURE I wasn't being actively targeted/assist trained.

DO NOT worry about Recklessness against Warlocks -- just concentrate on landing successful Pummels on Fears and Shadow Bolts, and learn when to use Berseker Rage to break a Fear versus when to use it to pre-empt one. If you're careful you shouldn't need Recklessness at all, and if you think you need it, don't bother -- you're probably in a fight that you can't win anyway.

As for CoE kiting, personally I'd take the first one like a man and use an Intercept to close the gap again (if it was early on in the fight). I'd save my trinket for later on in the fight when I need to start playing my trump cards like Intimidating Shout/trinket/Berserker Rage in order to circumvent Fear/Seduction and win the damage race.

Yeah, I hate warlocks.

But I also find it hard to believe you beat most paladins 1vs1...they must be complete idiots.

A properly played Paladin should not lose to a same-level Warrior, EVER. Any Pally that loses to a Warrior either isn't trying or really, really sucks at WoW.

P.S. You're only level 59 and your gear is still developing (Although it's pretty decent for 59, or at least, a HELL of a lot better than mine was). Gear discrepancy is probably causing most of your problems.

Don't worry too much about losing to Warlocks at this point -- just do your best to learn how to fight them and concentrate on getting your gear up to snuff. Even if you never get to roll in epic MC/BWL/AQ/PvP epics, just having a decent bit of blue PvP gear + Valor will do big things for you. If I were you I'd also start looking at the "tier 0.5" dungeon armor quests that are coming up in the next patch, they look to be pretty decent for starter DPS gear.

P.S. Unless you decide to commit hardcore to PvE raiding, don't ever, ever, EVER change your spec (except for maybe minor tweaking depending on your playstyle). For Warrior PvP, no spec will ever beat 31/20/0 in its current form. Mortal Strike for fucking LIFE.

Yeah, I hate warlocks.

But I also find it hard to believe you beat most paladins 1vs1...they must be complete idiots.


paladins are pretty easy to beat 1vs1.

Kite.

As they pop thier invul move away, well timed MS cuts thier heal in half.

As they go to pop another heal, a well timed war stomp ( tauren ) and then a MS will hurt them. This is coming from arms warrior, fury might even be better, but I dont know.

I never have too much problem 1vs1 on a pally...now 2 pallies that's a another game.

paladins are pretty easy to beat 1vs1.

Kite.

As they pop thier invul move away, well timed MS cuts thier heal in half.

As they go to pop another heal, a well timed war stomp ( tauren ) and then a MS will hurt them. This is coming from arms warrior, fury might even be better, but I dont know.

I never have too much problem 1vs1 on a pally...now 2 pallies that's a another game.

Against an actual SKILLED Paladin, even Mortal Strike is a joke, unless you get some truly epic crits. If you're up against a stupid pally who blows all their mana early on in the fight, you could probably smash them, but a smart pally will be stingy as hell with their mana and whack calmly on you with auto-attack while you're in melee range to wear you down, and they'll get you to blow your Pummels with faked heals (starting the casting animation and then immediately canceling it, causing you to waste your Pummel), and when you're hurting from their melee attacks and it's time to back out and bandage, they'll go for the jugular.

Maybe I'm extra bitter because you have War Stomp (whereas I have, um, Perception and enhanced rep gain and Spirit, whoopty-friggin'-do), but if you're up against a Pally and it's not a grueling uphill battle for you, you're fighting a newbie, an idiot, or someone who's both.

P.S. Fury is HORRIBLE against Paladins. With MS there's hope that you can beat a pally who's stupid or makes a really big screw-up, but with Fury you have shitty burst damage, no healing debuff, and you're wailing on a guy in full plate with auto-attack/Heroic Strike/Bloodthirst for slow-as-molasses DPS.

yeah, those damn soul linkers with there imps....

staying in battle stance until you "sense" a fear will be a waste of a pummel if the warlock knows what he is doing.

so where'd you buy your gold from?

I'm surprised this comprehensive guide to beating a warlock hasn't been posted yet:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.co m/thread.aspx?fn=wow-warlock&t=850638

Ifucking hate gnome warlocks... I cant see what their little hands are doing and I always miss the pummel...

Just look for the crucifix-esque animation.

You should not be able to win, but if you really wanna try charge ---> pop bloodrage ---> int shout as fast as possible to fear succubus. STAY in berserker stance, beat on the warlock and keep an eye on succubus, if she start casting intercept her and pummel her, then go back on beating on the warlock, keep him hamstring all the time. Thats the only hope you have at beating one. If he deathcoil, he will try to get a fear on you, just berserker rage out of it and keep watching the succubus.

You might also wanna hope they dont have a succy out..

I wana know how to beat epic geared locks with +500 in damage + trinkets. :( :( :(