Warlocks... over powered?

Locks are the only people that can give me problems on my druid and my rogue.. is there any fool proof way to beat them? I personally think they need nerfed. not major things. just take down their DPS a tad or put some of the spells on the same timer.

No.

Not at all, look at the pvp rankings, how many warlocks do you see? VERY VERY FEW. A few months ago, not sure about now but I'm sure it is the same, the highest lock on burning legion was ranking 111th. Dueling I don't do very well 1 on 1. In battlegrounds warlocks are great if you can manage to keep yourself alive long enough to cast on a few people and then attack someone. They are 90% support units imo. In a group I can do more damage than anyone simply because I can attack with dots on every enemy and work as crowd control.

how can you not do very well against people? you can chain seduce, fear, and deathcoil, + soullink

you should be invincible

So you can kill warriors with your rogue, but you can't kill warlocks with it?

I have 120 shadow resist for pvp. I love seeing the 'Resist' on my scrolling combat text.

So you can kill warriors with your rogue, but you can't kill warlocks with it?


correct. i can keep warriors stunned and kill them without too much problems.


Fear's death coil and that stupid seduce. in pvp i almost always have to use cold blood if i want to win.

As a rogue, save your vanish/sprint for after they death coil, then use them simultaneously as soon as you can. The DoT will break your stealth, but due to server lag, you get a good 2-4 seconds (depending on when a DoT next ticks). They'll be surprised/overwhelmed when you vanish 20 yards away from them and then appear right next to them. From there, it's a race to kill the warlock before the DoTs kill you.

For destruction warlocks (aka seduce kite bitches :D), your only real chance is to try to spam the blind button on the succbus. If you manage to interrupt the succubus, make sure you kill it before the warlock, using any means necessary (vanish to get a cheap shot if you have to).

Why would warlocks CP farm? 2 MC runs and they have full felheart...

As a rogue, save your vanish/sprint for after they death coil, then use them simultaneously as soon as you can. The DoT will break your stealth, but due to server lag, you get a good 2-4 seconds (depending on when a DoT next ticks). They'll be surprised/overwhelmed when you vanish 20 yards away from them and then appear right next to them. From there, it's a race to kill the warlock before the DoTs kill you.

For destruction warlocks (aka seduce kite bitches :D), your only real chance is to try to spam the blind button on the succbus. If you manage to interrupt the succubus, make sure you kill it before the warlock, using any means necessary (vanish to get a cheap shot if you have to).


what i do for the succubus is i allow her to do the seduce to me. i wait about a sec or two so the lock thinks he has this. then i hit my insignia of the horde. then vanish. this normally surprises the lock and allows me to get in my cheap shot. then i spam sin strike a few times to get about 4 or 5 combo points. If the lock seems to be decked out in good gear and and/or a high rank and has a a good bit of life left i will eviserate or kidney shot. then i go right to gouge try and get a few more sin strikes in then spam evisierate (i went down the assassination tree so my crits add combo points.) that normally can beat destruction locks leaving me with 60% HP or better...

problem is that my insignia has a 4 min cool down so i could never rely on that. haha also hitting cold blood with about 5 combo points sure is funny to do to them though.

Warlocks are amazingly strong in group pvp, not so good 1v1 (espicially alliance lock vs horde wotf ftw).

how can you not do very well against people? you can chain seduce, fear, and deathcoil, + soullink

you should be invincible


seduce/fear are on the same diminishing returns timer.

Yeah, I don't think many people realize that - I hear chain seduce/fear a lot.

I certainly don't feel overpowered in pve. Haven't pvp'd with my lock as of yet - working on leveling it to 60 first.

Locks are the only people that can give me problems on my druid and my rogue..
Are you sure Warlocks are overpowered? :sunny:

I will admit, dueling people on the PTS today with my Warlock, I fucking destroyed them. The first fight he got maybe a backstab and a couple sinister strikes off on me. 2nd fight was a little closer because he kept me chain stunned but finally got a deathcoil off (he died at the end of the fight from server lag + my dots :lol:) Third fight was a breeze. Practically like 1st fight.

Makes me want to roll up my 48 Warlock to 60, but I have no one or frands to do it with :mecry:

Not at all, look at the pvp rankings, how many warlocks do you see? VERY VERY FEW. what exactly is that supposed to measure other than how much free time you have or how many people have your account information?

what exactly is that supposed to measure other than how much free time you have or how many people have your account information?
Not to mention warlocks are one of the least popular classes. Same reason why most raiding guilds rarely have more than 4 or 5 active warlocks.

Rogues should be able to kill warlocks easy, blind the lock, kill the succy, have crippling poison on for getting back to the lock. For even more fun keep strafing through the lock so he can't get spells off. Especially with lag that can be annoying as fuck.

But also keep this in mind, you with your krol blade can kill epic geared warriors? I do know some people who are capable of it, but not consistently. For every lock you will see will probably be geared epic so keep that in mind. As for the large crits locks do, they're rare and inconsistent, plus they suck for pve.

9 times out of 10 a Rogue will fucking shred a Warlock. We can break stealth with our DoTs, but as has been said, the ticks are pretty far apart, leaving plenty of time for a Vanished Rogue to close the gap again for a fresh CS (hence why I abuse the hell out of Curse of Exhaustion, to buy just a hair more time against a Vanished Rogue to maybe escape a CS). Our only reliable way to get Rogues off our nuts is Death Coil, which doesn't leave enough breathing room to start chain Fearing, and considering how much damage a standard opening series will do to us, the heal's not much for regaining momentum, either. i dunno, I'm still learning this. Maybe Death Coil -> Seduction could work better for getting some breathing room.

Once I do get breathing room, I just chain fear, slap on DoTs, and pray for a Nightfall crit, because there's no way I'm gonna keep them feared long enough for a Shadow Bolt cast AND load them down with enough DoTs to counteract their stealth and BARELY win the damage race. One insta-Shadow Bolt makes all the difference, though.

I've got a Warlock and a Rogue and I *hate* pvping rogues with a Warlock. For the reasons everyone else mentioned and one more: Kick is a bitch, and improved kick is a fucking cunt.

Granted i dont have much experience with warlocks, on the test server i find it really easy to destroy rogues. Death coil->fear->CoEle->immolate->searing pain->conflag->shadowburn drops them very quickly.