folding an OE straight flush draw?

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to creat!ve [4h 5h]
duckdog19: folds
creat!ve: calls $1
D_Grayson: folds
thevictim71: calls $0.50
KojakMaloney: checks
*** FLOP *** [3h 5c 2h]
thevictim71: checks
KojakMaloney: bets $5
creat!ve: raises $5 to $10
thevictim71: raises $59.10 to $69.10 and is all-in
KojakMaloney: calls $26 and is all-in
creat!ve said, "lol"
creat!ve said, "i have a striaght flush draw"
creat!ve said, "45h"
creat!ve said, "you have the nut striaght obvious"
D_Grayson said, "and if you take long enough theyll tell you what they have"
creat!ve said, "someone has ah xh"
creat!ve: folds
*** TURN *** [3h 5c 2h] [Ah]
creat!ve said, "****"
*** RIVER *** [3h 5c 2h Ah] [Td]
creat!ve said, "fucasdfkl;jdj"
creat!ve said, "asd;lkfjasdk"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
thevictim71: shows [As 4d] (a straight, Ace to Five)
KojakMaloney: mucks hand
creat!ve said, "my god"
thevictim71 collected $73 from pot
creat!ve said, "im so pissed"


should i have folded getting a little under 2-1 on my monies on that? lol

You talk too much

I hate people like you at tables

your flop min-raise is horrendous.

What are stack sizes? Are you sure you've calculated the pot odds correctly?

You talk too much

If you thought someone else was on the flush draw then it was a good fold, but I know I sure as hell would have called

You talk too much

I hate people like you at tables


Yea I'm a little curious as to what you hope to gain by the table talk at an online table.

anything really, id love just a few words just to get some sort of extra info

anything really, id love just a few words just to get some sort of extra info
"Hey guys, this is how I played this hand preflop and postflop and this is what I am going to do to an all in raise, but if you could just tell me what you have too we can be friends"

bews a jealous broke ass

What flop are you hoping to see with that hand? You flop top pair and an OESF draw and assuming you can call the full raise, you are getting 1.5-1 pot odds. Laying that down is just giving away money.

i was convinced that they had those hands, i was sure that the ah was in play and i was only drawing to a 1 outer vs a made straight and the nut flush draw..

If you were/are so convinced of that read then why are you posting that hand here? You were right about the straight and wrong about the Ah. If you don't have a question about it, why are you posting it here as if you do?

If you were/are so convinced of that read then why are you posting that hand here? You were right about the straight and wrong about the Ah. If you don't have a question about it, why are you posting it here as if you do?
He wants to get his dick sucked by us

This is a little risky for me because I've never calculated pot odds like this before... in terms of equity, that is. But if you look at a simple example of a flush draw and a guy bets all-in for $50 into a $50 pot, we know already we have odds to call and we know that we have 33% equity in the pot. So the bet you are facing must be less than or equal to your equity in the pot _once you call_.

Let's draw out a worst case scenario:

big stack has AhTh
second guy has 46o

(I think the straight on the big stack is a bit unlikely here for obvious reasons)

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 10.1575 % 05.76% 04.40% { 5h4h }
Hand 2: 25.9751 % 25.80% 00.17% { AhTh }
Hand 3: 63.8674 % 59.47% 04.40% { 64o }

Once you call the main pot will be $31*3+3 = $96. Your equity in the main pot is $9.75.

In the side pot:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 58.7879 % 57.88% 00.91% { 5h4h }
Hand 2: 41.2121 % 40.30% 00.91% { AhTh }

Once you call the side pot is $76.2. Your equity here is $44.80.

So once you call the $59.10 you have $54.55 worth of equity in the pot and lose almost $5 on a call. But this is a worst case scenario. I would expect to see pair + straight draw/set/made straight here far more than often enough to compensate. What you have to consider is even if the outlined worst case scenario happens, say, 80% of the time (which is an extreme overestimate), you have such incredible pot odds the other 20% of the time that you will very quickly make your money back.

Consider:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 37.9601 % 34.38% 03.58% { 5h4h }
Hand 2: 12.4317 % 11.38% 01.05% { AA, 55, 33-22, 52o+, 42o+, 32o }
Hand 3: 49.6082 % 46.16% 03.45% { 64o }

Pot = $96, Equity = $36.44

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 65.6883 % 59.08% 06.60% { 5h4h }
Hand 2: 34.3117 % 27.71% 06.60% { AA, 55, 33-22, 52o+, 42o+, 32o }

Pot = $76.2, Equity = $50.05

For a total equity of $86.49 and a net equity of $27.39. (vs. a net equity of -$4.55 in the other case)

.2*27.39 - .8*4.55 = $1.84

As I said, the 80% is an overestimate IMO, but even with that you have made your money back already.

I don't think the question you should be asking yourself is if you made the right decision in folding.

I think the question you should be asking yourself is why you are playing that hand from second position at all.

fwiw the "what flop were you hoping to see" reasoning is very imprecise. You play the hand because you think you can turn a profit with it, that doesn't mean you always go to the felt if hand strength >= x. The action will usually dictate the strength of your hand, not the board.

He is in the CO. You couldn't pry these cards from my hands.

co 6 handed

Misread it as he was second to act off deal... didn't catch that it was only 6 handed.

Regardless, I think one would have a really hard time justifying playing that hand from anywhere except the blinds.

Invest in some testicles?