*sigh* the downward turn :(

Yoda
01-28-2006, 12:21 PM
Playing this morning my normal 4 tables and can't pick up a hand. I've seen 500 hands and played under 10% of them. I finally pick up QQ and this happens:

I put him on KK pre-flop because I expected AA to push there and because the guy had been really tight for ~70 hands. Was this correct? Having this suspicion should I have bet the flop like I did? Oh, and I knew the first guy was a real donkey, so he never bothered me.

PokerStars Game #3783026010: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/01/28 - 12:17:09 (ET)
Table 'Laura V' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Nazareen ($43.20 in chips)
Seat 2: roblog ($19.75 in chips)
Seat 3: Golfie1 ($109.15 in chips)
Seat 4: Mardagg ($48.35 in chips)
Seat 5: AMAZ1NG ($37.85 in chips)
Seat 6: Fastplaya17 ($44.50 in chips)
Seat 7: Borys313 ($56.50 in chips)
Seat 8: jacob_BU ($5.25 in chips)
Seat 9: holsamoht ($43.85 in chips)
Golfie1: posts small blind $0.25
Mardagg: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to holsamoht [Qd Qh]
AMAZ1NG: folds
Fastplaya17: folds
Borys313: folds
jacob_BU: raises $4.75 to $5.25 and is all-in
holsamoht: calls $5.25
Nazareen: calls $5.25
roblog: folds
Golfie1: folds
Mardagg: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jc 5h 9c]
holsamoht: bets $12
Nazareen: raises $25.95 to $37.95 and is all-in
holsamoht said, "QQ, you got KK"
holsamoht: folds
*** TURN *** [Jc 5h 9c] [8d]
*** RIVER *** [Jc 5h 9c 8d] [7h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Nazareen: shows [Kh Kd] (a pair of Kings)
Nazareen collected $22.85 from side pot
jacob_BU: shows [Ks Td] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
jacob_BU collected $15.70 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $40.50 Main pot $15.70. Side pot $22.85. | Rake $1.95
Board [Jc 5h 9c 8d 7h]
Seat 1: Nazareen showed [Kh Kd] and won ($22.85) with a pair of Kings
Seat 2: roblog (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Golfie1 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Mardagg (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: AMAZ1NG folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Fastplaya17 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Borys313 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: jacob_BU showed [Ks Td] and won ($15.70) with a straight, Seven to Jack
Seat 9: holsamoht folded on the Flop

creat!ve
01-28-2006, 06:21 PM
id probably fold this 1/10 times at .25/.50 even with reads, because its often enough hell have ax of clubs or qt, and i garuntee if you get ur monies in on this flop youre almost always a favorite at these limits

Yoda
01-28-2006, 08:55 PM
bah

PokerStars Game #3788262958: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/01/28 - 20:50:01 (ET)
Table 'Antenor' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Mick Walker ($102.50 in chips)
Seat 2: mikel-RL ($48.45 in chips)
Seat 3: ALL Da CHIPZ ($23.50 in chips)
Seat 4: wings72 ($29 in chips)
Seat 5: (SSD) ($40.20 in chips)
Seat 6: holsamoht ($66.30 in chips)
Seat 7: hardy08 ($7.35 in chips)
Seat 9: Clark1284 ($67.20 in chips)
Clark1284: posts small blind $0.25
Mick Walker: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to holsamoht [9c Tc]
mikel-RL: folds
ALL Da CHIPZ: folds
wings72: calls $0.50
papasmurf107 joins the table at seat #8
(SSD): folds
holsamoht: calls $0.50
hardy08: folds
Clark1284: folds
Mick Walker: checks
*** FLOP *** [Qh Jh Kh]
Mick Walker: checks
wings72: checks
holsamoht: bets $3
Mick Walker: raises $7 to $10
wings72: calls $10
holsamoht: raises $55.80 to $65.80 and is all-in
Mick Walker: raises $36.20 to $102 and is all-in
wings72: calls $18.50 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [Qh Jh Kh] [7h]
*** RIVER *** [Qh Jh Kh 7h] [5s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Mick Walker: shows [9h Ts] (a flush, King high)
holsamoht: mucks hand
Mick Walker collected $74.60 from side pot
holsamoht said, "wow"
wings72: shows [Kd Kc] (three of a kind, Kings)
Mick Walker collected $84.25 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $161.85 Main pot $84.25. Side pot $74.60. | Rake $3
Board [Qh Jh Kh 7h 5s]
Seat 1: Mick Walker (big blind) showed [9h Ts] and won ($158.85) with a flush, King high
Seat 2: mikel-RL folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: ALL Da CHIPZ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: wings72 showed [Kd Kc] and lost with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 5: (SSD) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: holsamoht mucked [9c Tc]
Seat 7: hardy08 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Clark1284 (small blind) folded before Flop

:(

n9ne
01-28-2006, 09:25 PM
http://courses.wccnet.edu/computer/mod/donkey.gif

cacophobia
01-28-2006, 10:15 PM
Hey on the first hand he's even money with AK of clubs and a huge dog to AA/KK. Plus AK of clubs is only 1 combination while AA/KK account for 12. FWIW I would expect to see AA here just as often as I would KK, and I think you played it perfectly, although the 12$ bet could probably be scaled back to $10 with the same effect.

Of course I have seen some pretty crazy stuff but if he is a 15/7 or something it's an easy fold. The only hands you beat RARELY push this flop, as people are really extremely passive at these limits.