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#Game No : 3247558474
***** Hand History for Game 3247558474 *****
$400 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, December 23, 01:24:42 EDT 2005
Table Table 69570 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: teresa773 ( $237.25 )
Seat 3: SirChode ( $425.80 )
Seat 4: Douber111 ( $371.70 )
Seat 5: BigfatElvis ( $639.90 )
Seat 8: cherrypuff ( $132.20 )
Seat 10: crabbymb ( $694.40 )
Seat 9: ballr2stunna ( $384 )
Seat 1: xAFegsx ( $237 )
Seat 7: Levanakl ( $320 )
Seat 6: DirtyOcean ( $396 )
xAFegsx posts small blind [$2].
teresa773 posts big blind [$4].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to xAFegsx [ Ac As ]
>You have options at Table 72416 (6 max) (No DP) Table!.
SirChode folds.
Douber111 calls [$4].
BigfatElvis folds.
DirtyOcean raises [$16].
Levanakl folds.
cherrypuff folds.
ballr2stunna folds.
crabbymb folds.
>You have options at Table 72416 (6 max) (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 72416 (6 max) (No DP) Table!.
xAFegsx raises [$46].
>You have options at Table 72416 (6 max) (No DP) Table!.
teresa773 folds.
Douber111 calls [$44].
DirtyOcean folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Td, 5d, 5c ]
>You have options at Table 72416 (6 max) (No DP) Table!.
xAFegsx bets [$48].
Douber111 calls [$48].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3h ]
xAFegsx checks.
Douber111 checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 4h ]
xAFegsx bets [$85].
Douber111 is all-In [$275.70]
xAFegsx is all-In [$56]
xAFegsx shows [ Ac, As ] two pairs, aces and fives.
Douber111 shows [ 7c, 6h ] a straight, three to seven.
Douber111 wins $134.70 from side pot #1 with a straight, three to seven.
Douber111 wins $491 from the main pot with a straight, three to seven.
Game #3247567054 starts.

ugly
bet more on flop and bet turn!

uhh he can call $50 anytime he wants with 76 into a T55 flop

I am baffled by that type of play. Forget the pre-flop play b/c some idiots have constant delusions of huge implied odds. But, how the hell do you call that flop with only runner-runner to save you?

Your biggest mistake was checking the turn. You should have bet 2x or 3x your bet on the flop. The likelihood of your opponent flopping the set there is slim and if he is on a draw he will probably fold to a large bet. Of course, this guy might have called you with the gutshot straight draw anyways but most of the time he's not going to hit. Checking the turn gives him a free card and is definitely a bad idea.

From the way that guy played, he would have called an all-in. I have a friend who is that aggresive/loose.

obviously not betting the turn was the problem there

but who knows, the guy could have been calling that flop bet for the soul reason to bluff raise the turn real hard and hope he lays it down, but since he gave him free card he took it

If he's going to call an all-in bet or not isn't the point. The point is whether or not YOU are willing to call an all in bet or not. Clearly you were, so why not just bet it yourself instead of letting him draw for free. Who cares if he calls there, get your money in with the best of it. Also the flop bet is too small for my taste.

I mistakingly thought you had a smaller stack than you did. I'd still bet bigger on the flop and bet the turn out instead of betting out the river.

note: i had no info on this guy and didnt realize he was a moron, so i had to assume he was at least a somewhat competent player. therefore, i played the hand in a way to maximize profit against a normal player.

why would i bet the turn? what hands can i honestly put him on after the flop... some kind of medium pair? he cold-called another $44 pf after limping in, then calls $50 on the flop. i check the turn hoping he'll push with 99 or pay me off on the river. if i push the turn he probably folds.

OBVIOUSLY in this case thats not true, but i had been at this table about 5 minutes ago and didnt realize i was playing a complete idiot. in most cases you're costing yourself money by just pushing all-in on the turn (at least by the stack sizes in this hand). if i were deeper id bet the turn... but in this case with the pot already $200 after the flop and me having about $135 left, betting the turn is a mistake in MOST cases. i'll take my chances of him hitting what i think is a 2 outer to try to get another $100 out of him

I don't see how you could say it's a mistake to continue to bet in that case. If he is that willing to call your bets pre and post flop with a medium pair, what makes you think that changes on the turn? If he's calling that much pre/post than he's probably decided that he's ahead and you're betting high cards.


Any way you look at it you're either way ahead, or way behind. The only hands you're behind are pocket pairs which hit, or a hand with a 5 in it (which should be nearly impossible, but we all know that it isn't). If you give someone a chance to hit their set on the river for free I think its a mistake. Yes, its 2 outs, but you don't know WHAT 2.

i would say the contrary is true. the shallower you are the more correct it becomes to bet the turn.

Bet the turn? Why? The way this guy has played, I have to figure I am already beaten or he is going balls to the wall with his flush draw. I am not getting him off his hand no matter what I do -- the pot is $220 and best I can do is shave him down to a 3-1 call on the turn which even a partially competent person would grab 99% of the time.

And, since I would expect the raise on the flop with the flush draw, the call of my big flop bet looks like a monster to me (TT, 55, A5 or some shit like that). Putting him on medium pair is not an option b/c my play puts me squarely on a premium pair.

By the time the turn happens, I am happy to check this one down. I think the only mistake was to bet the river. It's doubtful that I would be able to lay that one down if I checked the river and he went all-in, but a better player might. :)

I think as a general rule of thumb, unless the flop comes KQJ monotone and you have none of the suit, if you get 20% of your stack in preflop you are completely committed to the hand. Since we are no longer worried about losing money when behind, the line we take should maximize money when we're ahead, regardless of whether or not we're behind.

It depends on the opponent, but often you will be giving up too much by not betting either the turn or the river, particularly when you've gotten in 20% of your stack preflop. By that I just mean if he's come this far he's often going to be willing to go all the way with AT or JJ or something. Given that we've gotten in that much preflop and only have less than one pot-sized bet left, we need to decide immediately if we are committed to the hand. I think we are.

Given that, we know he will probably check behind most every hand we beat but may call many hands that are drawing slim. We also know, however, that we still can't fold to an all-in. Adding this all up, it seems like a bet is the way to go. If you are going to call you might as well bet as it increases the chances you get money out of hands you beat, since inducing a bluff this late in the hand is very unlikely.

as an aside, betting the river and not betting the turn is pretty inconsistent. If you check the turn it's with the intention of checking the river, since the only way he can improve is to beat you. You might as well bet the turn when there is still one card to come. He could, after all, have some junk like 33 that is going to fold to a turn or river bet period because he was testing you, but be pretty ready to call an all-in if a 3 pops (or if a runner-runner gutshot pops!). If you bet the turn they will often make incorrect calls simply because there is still one card to come. People hate putting money in the pot drawing dead.

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shoulda pushed

would have reraised double or triple his flop raise. then pushed on turn.