small pre-flop raises

this question is for NL cash games especially short handed

how much does a 2x pf raise effect the range of hands you play?
3x?
4x?

id say a 2x raise doesnt effect my selection of hands at all, ill still play the suited connecters and small pps from any position
3x ill only play the suited connectors and small pairs with position, or in clearly multi-way pots
4x ill be much more selective

use the rule of 5-10

i think thats the rule, i should look it up again

if its under 5%(of your stack) you always can call if its between 5-10 its judgement and if its over 10 you dont

use the rule of 5-10

i think thats the rule, i should look it up again

if its under 5%(of your stack) you always can call if its between 5-10 its judgement and if its over 10 you dont
I never play with less than the max buy-in though so that rule seems rather ridiculous id be way too loose calling 5x bb bets all the time

That depends on the players you're calling raises against. If you know that they overplay TPTK than you have value in calling with your drawing hands almost always, because you know they can't get away from less than optimal holdings.

If you're playing against more clever opponents its better to just mix it up and sometimes call, othertimes fold.

if youre sitting big stack whats the point in folding to a 5x bb raise when its only like 2% of ur stack, open your game

if youre sitting big stack whats the point in folding to a 5x bb raise when its only like 2% of ur stack, open your game

We're talking about cash games here. The ratio of the bet to your stack is insignificant. You should play the same way with a big stack in a cash game as you would with a smaller stack (don't know why you'd have one in a cash game but w/e).

:lol:

no, you definatly should NOT play the same way you would play with a small stack in a cash game pal

cash games deep stacked are 10000 times different than havin like 20 bbs

20 bb is not normal, thats short stacked.. 100BB is normal.

what kind of retarded rule only takes your own stack size into account when deciding to call or not

i think your own hand and the range of the raiser should be considered.. but im crazy that way

keep laughing creative

I'm referring to someone who likes to conserve and improve their bankroll. Calling a 5x raise just because you have a big stack is a dumbass play. If you can afford to call 5x with a non-premium hand you should be playing at a higher limit. If you don't care about your bankroll and just want to throw around the extra profit you picked up at a table be my guest. I'll be there to pick it up.

The difference between the short stack and big stack is only noticable if the person only has, say, 5X to 10X the BB. Then, you can expect this person to make calls and all ins that a big stack would not. But as big stack, your play should not change from when you had only the original buy-in.

I usually play TAG in sh nl games.

I tend to treat a 2x raise like a 3x or 4x raise unless I know that others will likely call (and not raise behind me). If someone has already called in front of me, I will usually loosen up my requirements to enter the pot (again, depending somewhat on the rest of the table).

That said, I like to be the one putting pressure on others, so I may even reraise with a typical starting hand.

plunk, look, to say play doesnt change based on your stack size is absurd

implied odds rule nl cash games

say you're sitting with 250$ at a .25/.5 game, a guy raises 4x the blinds in first and you know hes a fairly tight player, calling him with 75s based on the fact that you can stack him when you hit and your hand is completely disguised ISNT a bad play, its only .008 of your stack you're risking to get another 75 bucks, im not advocating throwing wild bluffs around, im saying seeing flops when you have that much money with hands that WILL stack people beacuse of how disguised they are is a phenomonal way to play when you're that deep, and to miss out on those oppurtunities and play like youre sitting at 75 bucks is missing out on alot of plays that can make you a great deal of money

The ratio of the bet to your stack is insignificant.

lol

plunk you have alot to learn

plunk you suck


vav?

The only time deep stack play should change is when youre vs another deep stack.

Why can I afford to play 67s if I have 500BB on the table instead of 100BB? I can just refill if i miss

seems to me creative is a "1 buyin player" and probably never had a bankroll in his life

5-10 rule.. lmao, your cockyness goes well with your stupidity

what if youre sitting deep stacked at a table .25/.50 and some person raises $12.5 you're sitting with 44. do you call cause its only 5% of your $250 stack?

good system

I suck? That's funny.

creat1ve, all your basically saying is that when you're big stack, you can afford to lose more than the person with low stack just because you can put them all in. But what I'm saying is that when I buy in for the max of 50 dollars at a table with people that have increased their stacks to 150 dollars, I am going to play like I have 150 as well. By this I mean I can afford and am willing to lose my 50 dollars in an effort to gain more money. But once i get up to 150, I am not going to allow my play to get any looser just because I can afford to call big raises. I can afford to call big raises at any time because the 50 dollars I buy in with is 50 that I can afford to lose but I only call the raises when I feel it is the correct play (i.e. your example). If I do get low where calling a big raise means half my stack, I'll add more money. What I'm basically saying is that I play like I have a big stack even when I have a stack equal to the max buyin because I see my stack as an extension of my bankroll. But if you're talking brick and mortar, I can see where you're coming from as far as buying in with your entire bankroll and playing that way.

And n9ne can suck it. I own you.

plunk - define "affordability." you are the only one in this thread who has used it so far. i've never heard it mentioned in any poker literature ever, but it seems to be such a prevailing concept in your poker philosphy, please enlighten us on this affordability scale.

blackfade - it's effective stacks, obviously. there's no need to get your panties in a bundle because you don't understand what the hell's going on.

yea fade honestly you can suck my cock

what im saying is correct, im not fucking advocating calling 12 dollar raises, im advocating calling FOUR X BB raises, which if you can can count at 25/50 is TWO DOLLARS, NOT TWELVE

if you've never heard of the 5-10 rule you can go look it up, its real

ill keep being "cocky" because im right, cash games deep stacked are different, i just wish you could stop being so blind

and for the record, im talking you EARNED the 250 dollars AT the table, not you bought in for 250 in a 25/50 uncapped game