2000 NL QQ

Cash game

***** Hand History for Game 3148223525 *****
$2000 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, December 05, 05:34:54 EDT 2005
Table Table 70559 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: FishHunter88 ( $2751 )
Seat 2: weaklooose ( $1842.50 )
Seat 3: DunleavyIll ( $2242 )
Seat 5: Cheddarmon ( $3010 )
Seat 6: SEXSEAPOKER ( $786.50 )
Seat 7: hotmark777 ( $4119.50 )
Seat 8: slothr0p ( $2237 )
Seat 9: bigbetjim ( $1902 )
Seat 10: RSengara ( $2198.50 )
Seat 4: Zlota ( $2007 )
SEXSEAPOKER posts small blind [$10].
hotmark777 posts big blind [$20].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Cheddarmon [ Qs Qh ]
slothr0p calls [$20].
bigbetjim folds.
RSengara raises [$60].
FishHunter88 folds.
weaklooose folds.
DunleavyIll calls [$60].
Zlota folds.
Cheddarmon raises [$200].
SEXSEAPOKER folds.
hotmark777 calls [$180].
slothr0p calls [$180].
RSengara folds.
DunleavyIll raises [$640].

Cheddarmon...???

hotmark is a jackal
sloth is pretty good, haven't seen him make any bad moves
dunleavy is pretty new to the table so don't know about him

What do you do in this spot?

Will post results after some responses.

fold?

reraise to avoid any other callers. he probably has AK and is attempting a squeeze play to win the pot without any trouble. he probably wouldnt call with AA or KK with two people already in and 4 people to act behind him.

well, since you posted this thread im sure you folded then saw hotmark call with AK and beat dunleavys AQ with ace high

easy fold, but thats based on $200 nl play.. =)

all-in

Against someone donkish enough to call/re-raise, I think I fold.

edit: based on what I have mined of him, I think this is a definite fold.

Against someone donkish enough to call/re-raise, I think I fold.

edit: based on what I have mined of him, I think this is a definite fold.
We are folding based on the idea that we put him slowplaying aa or kk? (serious question, not being an ass :))

i mean, without any sort of datamining, hes repping aa or kk without a doubt, and at BEST you're a coinflip vs his ak, why get in a spot with such a small edge? wait for a better spot, any limit over 1-2 id probably fold in a heart beat

the thing that makes this hand a little tricky is that it looks like a classic button squeeze play, so if you have a LAG image and villain is slightly crazy, I think this shifts to a push, but assuming you just have an average image, it looks like a fold. fact of the matter is, it takes a kinda crazy or very good player to pull the trigger here with air. most people don't have the balls, especially considering a flat-call with a monster there looks a bit dubious. the only way he wouldn't be scared of looking dubious is if he had no fear of getting it allin.

I mean his reasoning could very well be: after the first raise he says "I have AK, I want to play a medium-sized pot with my tptk", but after the second raise he says "there is a crapload of money in the pot right now and button's play looks really suspect, so I think I have the best hand and am going to take it down right now", but if that were the case, why raise to only 700? and why flat-call the really small raise the first time with a lot of people behind you if you really value AK enough to come over the top of a re-raise in an already massive pot? he is looking to play for all his chips here, I wouldn't want to help him.

just in my experience this is AA/KK much much more than you would expect. No straightforward/tight player would ever play any hand whatsoever like this, only an extremely good player or an extremely bad player would, and if he's bad enough to call and then re-raise then he's probably bad enough to flat-call with aces the first time around.

anyway over 184 hands I have this guy at 2% pfr, which is pretty ridiculously low, of course you didn't have this at the time, but based on this and how he's played his other hands, I think he has aa/kk a very high % of the time

I guess I just couldn't understand why he'd call a small raise in mp with AA or KK. So because of that and tilt I made the call anyway.

***** Hand History for Game 3148223525 *****
$2000 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, December 05, 05:34:54 EDT 2005
Table Table 70559 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: FishHunter88 ( $2751 )
Seat 2: weaklooose ( $1842.50 )
Seat 3: DunleavyIll ( $2242 )
Seat 5: Cheddarmon ( $3010 )
Seat 6: SEXSEAPOKER ( $786.50 )
Seat 7: hotmark777 ( $4119.50 )
Seat 8: slothr0p ( $2237 )
Seat 9: bigbetjim ( $1902 )
Seat 10: RSengara ( $2198.50 )
Seat 4: Zlota ( $2007 )
SEXSEAPOKER posts small blind [$10].
hotmark777 posts big blind [$20].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Cheddarmon [ Qs Qh ]
slothr0p calls [$20].
bigbetjim folds.
RSengara raises [$60].
FishHunter88 folds.
weaklooose folds.
DunleavyIll calls [$60].
Zlota folds.
Cheddarmon raises [$200].
SEXSEAPOKER folds.
hotmark777 calls [$180].
slothr0p calls [$180].
RSengara folds.
DunleavyIll raises [$640].
Cheddarmon calls [$500].
hotmark777 calls [$500].
slothr0p folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3c, 7h, Th ]
hotmark777 checks.
DunleavyIll checks.

Pot = $2370

Now pretty much gotta push right? Checking seems too dangerous and betting any less than all in doesn't seem to make much sense.

Unless you think he would go this far with 10's ... but your call means you put him on ak, so may as well push here.

That check is bizarre as hell but I would still stick with my initial read. Of course, seeing a flop and then check/folding a totally safe flop seem a little inconsistent, but I wouldn't have gotten there to begin with... and I see no point in making a $600 mistake into a $2200 mistake.

***** Hand History for Game 3148223525 *****
$2000 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, December 05, 05:34:54 EDT 2005
Table Table 70559 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: FishHunter88 ( $2751 )
Seat 2: weaklooose ( $1842.50 )
Seat 3: DunleavyIll ( $2242 )
Seat 5: Cheddarmon ( $3010 )
Seat 6: SEXSEAPOKER ( $786.50 )
Seat 7: hotmark777 ( $4119.50 )
Seat 8: slothr0p ( $2237 )
Seat 9: bigbetjim ( $1902 )
Seat 10: RSengara ( $2198.50 )
Seat 4: Zlota ( $2007 )
SEXSEAPOKER posts small blind [$10].
hotmark777 posts big blind [$20].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Cheddarmon [ Qs Qh ]
slothr0p calls [$20].
bigbetjim folds.
RSengara raises [$60].
FishHunter88 folds.
weaklooose folds.
DunleavyIll calls [$60].
Zlota folds.
Cheddarmon raises [$200].
SEXSEAPOKER folds.
hotmark777 calls [$180].
slothr0p calls [$180].
RSengara folds.
DunleavyIll raises [$640].
Cheddarmon calls [$500].
hotmark777 calls [$500].
slothr0p folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3c, 7h, Th ]
hotmark777 checks.
DunleavyIll checks.
Cheddarmon is all-In [$2310]
hotmark777 calls [$2310].
DunleavyIll: wow, twice in 5 mins
DunleavyIll folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ad ]
** Dealing River ** [ 2s ]
hotmark777 shows [ 8c, 9c ] high card ace.
Cheddarmon shows [ Qs, Qh ] a pair of queens.
Cheddarmon wins $6987 from the main pot with a pair of queens.

I agree. I don't think I should have called his preflop reraise. But I guess it worked out. After the hand dunleavy said he mucked KK.

i dont really understand hotmarks call on the flop if the pot was $2370 + $2310 =~4700 he was only getting around 2-1 obviously knowing he was behind to an overpair and he was only 35% not getting the right odds to call


right?

wow, you got lucky; he had shit, but almost hit his straight...

hotmark was tilting after he lost AA to QQ about 20 hands ago

Man, that is some serious tilt.

Played in a home game this weekend where one guy went on tilt after being outdrawn/bluffed by a good player (really tight, never shows, no tics that I can see). Blew the rest of his stack (he was chip leader by a small margin) on overly aggressive raises/calls.

hmmm, interesing that he would much kk ... that means he put you on aa, but it's not likely you would just call his raise pre-flop with aa. From his perspective, the biggest threat was jackal going all the way with 10 7

All I can say is I wouldn't have made this call with QQ.

Congrats on your win.