To those that use DKP.

I had a quick question for you.

When you are awarding loot to players, what factors do you consider? Do you go strictly off of their current DKP vs the current DKP of other players who want the same item? Or do you consider classes priorities as well?

I had a conversation with a guildie last night who felt he was entitled to bid on an item that I normally wouldn't let his class bid on, although he had more DKP than the players of that class. I've been thinking about it for a while now, and I'm swinging both ways on the argument.

How do you guys handle this stuff in your guilds?

what item?

some items are designated with class, others are open-ended multiclass.

we've used a generic DKP system but just switched to a zero-sum case where folks with the DKP can pull rank basically.

do what feels fair to the guild, and keep in mind that not all classes are even.

in other words, the classes which have less people to compete with are more likely to spend less on class items. they have more DKP for the big inter-class items and that can start to piss folks off eventually.

I thought the system was roughly as such.

1. You gain points for certain things, just as participating in Radin dungeons, for every hour you raid, and see to the raid's conclusion (among other things).

2. When an item comes up you want you /tell the Master Looter Your bid in points. Which of course cannot exceed your total accumulated points.

3. After all bids are taken, the Master Looters awards the looter to the highest bidder and deducts only enough points to beat the next highest bidder by one point. The rest of the bidders keep their points.

I would think other clauses would be in there to determine class-specific stuff, etc. And I keeping track of everyone's points sounds daunting. But I'd liketo think people take advantage of Parchement Addon to prove in-game notes. But as I read, each item is given a point value and you need that many points to "buy" the item, and possibly spend more competing with others.

I point items for my guild. I set a basic Primary and Secondary class to each item. Sometimes I dont always know first off who should be able to get it, but after I ask some other guildies/officers its usually not hard. Primary classes get first dibs on items. Secondary classes can only take an item if all of the Primary pass, but the secondary also get it for 1/2 price, since they generally get less use out of it.

Its worked well so far imo. Their are advantages to being a Primary or Secondary class, and its usually obvious what item is for what classes.

For a good example.. Heartstriker bow dropped off Broodlord last night and all of our hunters passed (one has it already). So I opened it to warriors and rogues for 1/2 price.Since melee would only want it for stats, its rediculous to ask them to pay the same price as a hunter. Its the same for hunters and some melee weapons.

Feannag, if you'd like to know how our DKP system works, I'd be more than happy to outline it in a PM for you, although you do seem to have the basic gist of it. :)

Now getting back to the topic, this thread is mostly related to a paladin, and a azuresong mageblade. Said paladin had more DKP than the locks/mages present on the raid, but I skipped over his name entirely when listing off the names and order of players that could grab the weapon, because imo and my others officers opinions, it benefited those casters more than said paladin.

To expand on this, it's more of a growing concern with cross class items altogether. Warriors rolling on bloodletters (before rogues have them), rogues grabbing blastershot launchers (before hunters have them), etc.. I normally wouldn't let this happen claiming class priorities. Am I wrong for doing so?

Pallies should shut their mouth and get an aurastone or finkles.

we have class priorities on stuff

another setup is such that a person can not take a second 1H weapon (if they dualwield) if another player of their class doesnt have an epic weapon and wants it

Mageblade is an offensive caster weapon. Clearly, this is not for Paladins, tell him to stfu.

rofl

Class should take priority...

Theres no reason why your paladins should get deathbringer before your warriors.

we have a class priority system. certain items go to certain classes before any others can buy them. for example, only warriors can get the untamed blade, unless all warriors pass.

we have class priorities on stuff

another setup is such that a person can not take a second 1H weapon (if they dualwield) if another player of their class doesnt have an epic weapon and wants it

/signed

besides, paladins are gay :D

I'm aware of the DKP system, but that seems like more work than is necessary. And if you are guild head/lootmaster/whatever else you call it it seems like adding a point value to every single piece of loot and then having to reference back to it every raid (or more). It seems a lot less work than the already annoying task of doling out loot if you just took bids and not worried about the "cost" of it in DKPs. Obviously there aer class priorities, but you should be able to glean that by the item itself. You really think rogues should be allowed to roll on a dagger that gives Int and Sprt buffs? Most likely not.

open bidding is the best

only class-restrict the very rarest of items (hammer of sulfuras).

open bidding is fucking stupid and you end up pissing off players because retards end up getting loot that would be put to better use by another class

loladins using warrior axes and shit? come the fuck on. paladin with sulfuras? give me a fucking break. hunters with core hound tooth and brutality blades?

shamans with crown of destruction? honestly somebody needs to shoot the people that try to pull stunts like that.

im with bodom. anyone who takes something from someone who could use it more is a dick.

but i fall under the category of:
i wouldn't give a blastershot to a rogue over a hunter.
i wouldn't give a toep to a priest over a mage/warlock.
i wouldn't give a thunderfury to a hunter over true melee classes
just like i wouldn't give a ghostshroud to a hunter over a rogue.

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open bidding is fucking stupid and you end up pissing off players because retards end up getting loot that would be put to better use by another class

loladins using warrior axes and shit? come the fuck on. paladin with sulfuras? give me a fucking break. hunters with core hound tooth and brutality blades?

shamans with crown of destruction? honestly somebody needs to shoot the people that try to pull stunts like that.

What I'm saying is that yes there would be classes restrictions. You look at the idea, determine which class would best benefit from teh damage/armor rating and stat buffs, and then open the bidding to those players whose class needs it. And if not you can open bidding for greed.

Or what you could do it halve the value of the bid for classes who don't need it, making it so they would in theory need twice as point points to contend with a class who needs it. It would obviously not be complete, and half the points only in terms of having them and bidding.

loladins using warrior axes and shit? come the fuck on. paladin with sulfuras? give me a fucking break. hunters with core hound tooth and brutality blades?

shamans with crown of destruction? honestly somebody needs to shoot the people that try to pull stunts like that.

^^^

items out to go to the class that gets the maximum usage out of the item first.

open bidding is fucking stupid and you end up pissing off players because retards end up getting loot that would be put to better use by another class

loladins using warrior axes and shit? come the fuck on. paladin with sulfuras? give me a fucking break. hunters with core hound tooth and brutality blades?

shamans with crown of destruction? honestly somebody needs to shoot the people that try to pull stunts like that.
I have a brutality blade on my hunter, the swing speed is very fast so it is a questionable mainhand at best for a rogue.

As for the crown of destruction, I was very happy to see my fury warrior friend loot that from rag. It has the same item level as a dragonstalker's helm, and with even the 3 piece DS bonus, let alone 5 or 8, the dragon helm is a significantly better item. Don't underestimate int for hunters, my highest mana cost ability is only like 250mana.