My Journey Thru Hell

Where ever the moral debate goes just know I stand with Ben Reed on this entire issue.

That's an assumption.

Its also a assumption he won't.

I am not willing to make a assumtption that can cost my life or my neighbors. You might be, I am not.

Wow.

I'll answer that question him.

He is 17, living with mommy and daddy and looking for a outlet. Daddy beats both of them so when dad isn't around he needs to find someone or something to take his agression out on without fear of repercussions. TW is that outlet.

wow you got the white trash scenario down real good. sounds like someone's channeling

Take a look at my posts in the past 5 years and then see how much aggression I get out on these boards.

Btw, if you don't get the joke from my post I apologize. I thought it was quite obvious since I went into so much detail about someones life I do not know.

Call me an uninformed observer all you like, if it were me down there in New Orleans I know for damn sure I'd have better things to do than post on TW about it.

If I really kille dthree people, even in justified circumstances, I also woulda kept my mouth shut about it. No matter what kind of informative face you try to put on it, that would smack to me WAY the hell too much of bragging, and above all else I will never brag about what I kill, be it animal or human.

Dood. I know you're a cop, so what you said makes sense. In today's litigious times, cops have to eyeball the gun before they make that decision. Put yourself in a situation of complete anarchy. You and your neighbors have no tactical combat background. If you wait till the guy has drawn his gun, you're already that much closer to having you or one of your friends endangered by inaction. The guy's intent is obvious (to me at least).

If the choice was losing one of my neighbors/friends because of inaction, or killing an obvious dirtbag too quickly(he's stealing a TV...that's self evident, not racist), I'd go with killing the dirtbag.
don't think for a second that i'm saying that shooting the guy was the wrong choice. i'm the last person to question someone after the fact that they shot them. in fact, i'd even go so far as to say that in his situation, i would've shot the guy too had he reached for what might have been (and in fact, turned out to be) a gun.

but again, i still find it strange that he didn't let off a single round when confronted by a perp in the middle of the road with an actual visible gun. i'm not advocating that people attempt to shoot out their cars or anything assinine like that, but i find it strange that he said he sped up at the guy (obviously in an attempt to run him over, don't try to argue this please) but didn't try to shoot at the guy. he took a big chance. what if the other guy had started shoot at him? if he was indeed directly in front of the car, that would have been him (code4) a very easy target being that the windshield is in front, and the target isn't really moving. something travelled directly at you in a straight line doesn't force you to change your aim. if anything, the target grows bigger.

as for the rest of you, i know you're just making these cop comments to troll me into responding, so here's the only response you'll get: so far i've done shit that more than half of you can only have nightmares about, and i've only been a cop for less than 2 years, my latest being 'clearing' a house after receiving a report of shots fired and showing up and then showing up the scene to find a dead naked guy with two rounds in his head bleeding out on the floor, and then finding his girlfriend hiding in the bathroom. i've had to respond to scenes where someone's been shot and we've responded and idiots from the projects are throwing things down from the roof trying to kill us, while we're trying to get the victim out and safe. i've responded to burglaries and robberies where the perps are still on the scene. i've thrown down with a guy armed with a .40 handgun before. i've done all of this, and more.

do i know for a fact i wouldn't have resigned/left/dropped out/abandoned/whatever-you-want-to-call-it my job if i were there and things were this bad? NO, i don't know, because everyone's situation is different, and it isn't a matter of having balls or anything ridiculous like that. i'm sure some of them had families to take care of, or other problems. the stress might've made them just give up, or the danger simply wasn't worth it. NOPD cops make something like $35K at top pay after 3 years. they were getting shot at. maybe it simply wasn't worth it to some of them, maybe some of them had weak moral fiber, who knows? :shrug: anyway, there you go.

Take a look at my posts in the past 5 years and then see how much aggression I get out on these boards.

Btw, if you don't get the joke from my post I apologize. I thought it was quite obvious since I went into so much detail about someones life I do not know.

oh. so you were channeling.

, and above all else I will never brag about what I kill, be it animal or human.
what about spiders?

what about GIANT spiders?

what about spiders?

what about GIANT spiders?

I like spiders. Even giant ones.

I wouldn't brag about killing one, because they kill the roaches that I hate even worse than even the biggest, hairiest spider under the sun.

I believe that killing things is something that you sometimes have to do, but I don't like talking about the stuff I kill, because even if it's a necessary evil I still believe it's evil.

That's why I think Code4 is bullshitting...if you're gonna talk so openly about having to kill other human beings, why the HELL are you gonna talk about it with people you don't even KNOW on an Internet message board? That's the kind of shit you take to your priest, or your girlfriend, or your family. Strangers don't need to know about this kind of shit, it's impossible for them to understand.

actually i live in Queens and know a couple of NYPD officers. invar's inability to justify or discern appropriate force would sicken them
:lol: is that what this is about? i think you've completely misinterpreted things.

read my latest post. i haven't once questioned code4 shooting the guy reaching for his waistband. i haven't questioned code4 having his gun drawn on the kid snooping around. the situation in NO calls for it, because it is a total and complete breakdown of law and order.

better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6.

what i HAVE questioned is the seeming contradictions between his various actions.

there are glaring contradictions with what code4 did with regards to killing/not wanting to kill. he sped up at a perp with a gun standing in the middle of the road, but did not fire a shot at the person.

he said he didn't want to kill someone, and yet he sped up right at the person HOPING he'd jump out of the way.

he shot someone who was possibly reaching for a yet unseen gun yet he did not shoot at a person that was clearly actually holding one with the intent to use it on him.

The story of the guy going for his gun when there were already four aimed at him sounds like bullshit but all we have to go on in Code4's story.

Why does that sound like bullshit? I know it's obviously a huge stretch of the imagination, but try to put yourself in the looter's shoes. What happens to you if you put your hands up and surrender? Are they gonna tie you up until the cops come? Hell no. That could take an awful long time and they are not gonna be willing to guard you and give up their limited water to keep you alive. Are they just gonna let you walk away? Hell no. They stopped you for a reason.

Best case scenario, is they beat the shit outta you, take your gun and send you away. That leaves you messed up and without your protection from the other animals preyin upon the city. He was most likely hoping the vigilantes would hesitate, not be mentally ready to fight, and be able to squeeze off a couple rounds to cause confusion, and make a break for it.

I don't think Code4 was wrong in protecting himself. I'm all for protecting my neighbor's things, but I won't kill someone over their stuff. A human life is not worth less than my neighbor's television. I'd just let it go.

But where is the line drawn? What if they had stumbled across a guy raping a little girl? Raping isn't killing. She'll be fine later. Is THAT worth killing the guy for?

The whole thing is not about the crime, or the severity of it. It is about a group of people trying to maintain law and order in a confined area when nobody else is willing or able to do it for them. Some measures may be drastic, but given what little options are available, I think they did the right thing.

but again, i still find it strange that he didn't let off a single round when confronted by a perp in the middle of the road with an actual visible gun. .

cause the guys gun was already drawn, if code 4 would have reached for his he may have been shot. Like the dude he shot earlier.

oh. so you were channeling.

Inigo Montoya: You keep using that word. I do not think it means, what you think it means.

I don't get it.

CI will never brag about what I kill, be it animal or human.

my dad went to argentina and killed over 5000 doves in a 1 week period.
he shot over 1000 in one day



also, code4: when you shot the guy did you go "BOOM HEADSHOT BOOM HEADSHOT"?

cause the guys gun was already drawn, if code 4 would have reached for his he may have been shot. Like the dude he shot earlier.
so instead he speeds the car up at him and hopes he doesn't shoot? he was in a car, with a shotgun passenger, both with their guns in their laps.

I like spiders. Even giant ones.

I wouldn't brag about killing one, because they kill the roaches that I hate even worse than even the biggest, hairiest spider under the sun.

even wolf spiders? there was one in my garage the size of my palm, got em with insecticide.
^^braggart

my dad went to argentina and killed over 5000 doves in a 1 week period.
he shot over 1000 in one day

Those poor doves...killing for food is fine and dandy, but killing such nice, inoffensive birds simply for sport...it's not too harmful to their population, but it's just such a waste.

You'll have to pardon my hippiness here, I have a soft spot for animals, even the furry little white ones I've fed to large snakes over the years.

But anyway, the moral of this story is, I'm better than Code4.

Those poor doves...killing for food is fine and dandy, but killing such nice, inoffensive birds simply for sport...it's not too harmful to their population, but it's just such a waste.

You'll have to pardon my hippiness here, I have a soft spot for animals, even the furry little white ones I've fed to large snakes over the years.

But anyway, the moral of this story is, I'm better than Code4.


Before we assume he killed them and let them go to waste. Lets ask him what was done with them.

Btw, 5000 just seems like a flat out lie. I assumed he was fucking around.

Inigo Montoya: You keep using that word. I do not think it means, what you think it means.

I don't get it.

i guess i'm not getting you either, let's leave it at that.