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DocHolliday 09-06-2005, 01:17 PM 34 pages of the same revolving bullshit. I think we can repeat the same points for atleast another 30+ pages.
I realize that neither side will change its opinions. I just do it to waste time at work. :D
It helps that my grandpa has had to chase people off with is shotgun before. He lives on a river in a kind of isolated spot from the nearby cities. After the big Plainfield Tornado of 1990 he had a couple of people sneak down to his house after the storm. Its after midnight, its dark because the entire area is out of power. Trees are down everywhere including a 100+ year old oak sitting in your living room that was knocked down by the twister. When someone walks thru your yard you got to do something about it.
He went outside warned the visitor to leave and fired a round in the air. The guy took off and never came back. Its not near as scary as Code4's story but its there. My town was closed off to all outsiders. Hell, we went to a nearby town for ice, water, food and the National Gaurd/State Police were giving us a hard time to get back into town. Our town was destroyed and thugs from other areas were comming to our town to steal from us. Thankgod for the National Gaurd.
Flunky 09-06-2005, 01:24 PM Anyone bashing Code for his actions is basically saying "I wish you were dead instead of that looter" because if he hadn't helped shoot him, or shoot at and run over that other dude, that's probably what would have happened.
In my mind, you choose one or the other - the guy trying to defend his rights and his home - not to mention carry out a charity mission in a car putting his own life at risk for someone else's needs, or the guy who is home invading and trying to steal people's stuff...
I think they should do an in depth audit of every NO resident when all this clears. "Ahem, you haven't had a job in 6 years and eat peanut butter on crackers for dinner every night, yet you have a $4000 plasma TV?"
Gandalf 09-06-2005, 01:27 PM Can't believe it hasn't been said yet....
Pics or it didn't happen.
Sorry, I believe the story, but it had to be said.
Varnish 09-06-2005, 01:30 PM good morning. yeah, its going in circles. i think it comes down to the point of him going to stop the TV thief. personally i'd let the thief go. there was nobody in immediate danger at that point. i can understand the argument that he could have a whole buncha buds that'll come back for the free for all but its just as likely he was a lonely opportunist. its also just as likely if he does have a buncha buds that they'll come back for revenge later. you can't say its not about the tv, its about self defense without realizing the only reason he was in that situation was he confronted the guy.
if the guy had been breaking into code4's home, or a home where people were there, it becomes a bodily harm type situation. in this case it was just stuff and shoulda been let go. obviously pisses you off, but the risk/benefit ratio of confronting somebody in the middle of the night just doesn't pan out for me. coulda had a buddy still in the house w/a gun. its not so much a question of is the situation worth killing over as a question of is it a situation worth dying for.
creative 09-06-2005, 01:30 PM i already said pics mother fucker
Spiderman 09-06-2005, 01:34 PM good morning. yeah, its going in circles. i think it comes down to the point of him going to stop the TV thief. personally i'd let the thief go. there was nobody in immediate danger at that point. i can understand the argument that he could have a whole buncha buds that'll come back for the free for all but its just as likely he was a lonely opportunist. its also just as likely if he does have a buncha buds that they'll come back for revenge later. you can't say its not about the tv, its about self defense without realizing the only reason he was in that situation was he confronted the guy.
if the guy had been breaking into code4's home, or a home where people were there, it becomes a bodily harm type situation. in this case it was just stuff and shoulda been let go. obviously pisses you off, but the risk/benefit ratio of confronting somebody in the middle of the night just doesn't pan out for me. coulda had a buddy still in the house w/a gun. its not so much a question of is the situation worth killing over as a question of is it a situation worth dying for.
more looters would have come
slogg 09-06-2005, 01:35 PM My town was closed off to all outsiders. Hell, we went to a nearby town for ice, water, food and the National Gaurd/State Police were giving us a hard time to get back into town. Our town was destroyed and thugs from other areas were comming to our town to steal from us. Thankgod for the National Gaurd.
I got to visit plainfield after the tornado, that was a sight to see, so much shit was just completly leveled.
Gandalf 09-06-2005, 01:37 PM i already said pics mother fucker
Sorry. I waded through about 15 pages without seeing it, and as the conversation was just going around in circles, I decided to post.
You win, buy a half page.
more looters would have come
Not to mention the guy was reaching for his piece.
TheDude 09-06-2005, 01:43 PM I'm cool with everything code4 did in his story.
But putting the DEAD NIGGER STORAGE sign in his front yard was a bit over the top
DocHolliday 09-06-2005, 01:46 PM I got to visit plainfield after the tornado, that was a sight to see, so much shit was just completly leveled.
Walking thru town after the tornado with a friend as he point out places he saw dead people will be etched in my brain forever.
I will never forget three things. The VW Bettle that was lodged in the weight room I lifted weights in. The garbage dumpster that was thrown about a half mile thru town and wrapped around a tree 50 feet in the air. The last are the school buses. Several of them were rolled like match box cars across the parking lot. Their roofs were flattened to the seats.
MR Dice 09-06-2005, 01:48 PM ^ macabre humour during difficult times. :)
If pics were provided this is definately :classic:
I'm cool with everything code4 did in his story.
But putting the DEAD NIGGER STORAGE sign in his front yard was a bit over the top
:lol:
Cuthbert 09-06-2005, 01:58 PM more looters would have come
From on point of view, you could argue that, in the end, it's all just things, isn't it? objects. looters typically take stuff that insurance will cover. is it worth somebody losing a life over?
like at the end, how someone's pointing a gun at his car from the middle of the road. he doesn't mention he (being armed) fired shots at the person, but instead chose to drive at the guy even quicker (who also didn't fire shots at him??) and ran him over...?
uh...
edit: fixed. don't know how a horrible non-english post like that slipped by
It's kinda hard to shoot and drive at the same time. Besides, if you stop to take aim, the guy's going to have the same opportunity. Not to mention, you make yourselves a target for any other two bit thugs.
If you drive right at him, most people will just shit themselves. At the very least, the fear of getting run over will make the guy's aim shaky.
mr_luc 09-06-2005, 02:08 PM BCamaro, for some reason I don't think digi cam pics were on the top of his priorities, Let me take pics of this looter before he pulls his gun on me. please smile sir. We can't eat, but its a good thing I'm using these batteries on my digicam instead of in this here flashlight.
http://www.thebluehammer.com/images/aljolson.jpg
From on point of view, you could argue that, in the end, it's all just things, isn't it? objects. looters typically take stuff that insurance will cover. is it worth somebody losing a life over?
It's thinking like this that is turning America into a bunch of pussies.
Running to your insurance company in this scenario is the equivalent of running to mommy and daddy and asking them to give you more lunch money because some bully took it. If the founding fathers and the patriots of the War of Independence had the same outlook as this, you all would still be be paying taxes to England.
iNVAR 09-06-2005, 02:14 PM It's kinda hard to shoot and drive at the same time.yes, i'm quite aware of how difficult it is to shoot accurately at a moving target, let alone if you're in a fast moving vehicle. but like he said, he wasn't looking to kill someone. so it makes no sense at all for him to just speed up at the person and hope he jumps out of the way. sure seems like he was trying to kill him, in which case HE SHOULD HAVE JUST SHOT AT HIM.
Besides, if you stop to take aim, the guy's going to have the same opportunity. Not to mention, you make yourselves a target for any other two bit thugs.i didn't say he should stop.
If you drive right at him, most people will just shit themselves. At the very least, the fear of getting run over will make the guy's aim shaky.
right, as oppose to a few shots being fired around the guy, because i know when a shot goes at/around/near me when i'm working, i magically grow steel balls and stand my ground out in the middle of the street. :rolleyes:
Uncle Silas 09-06-2005, 02:18 PM You killed someone over a TV that wasn't even yours?
I'm not a fan of looters but it's fucking television for christ's sake. That's why people have homeowners insurance.
yes, i'm quite aware of how difficult it is to shoot accurately at a moving target, let alone if you're in a fast moving vehicle. but like he said, he wasn't looking to kill someone. so it makes no sense at all for him to just speed up at the person and hope he jumps out of the way. sure seems like he was trying to kill him, in which case HE SHOULD HAVE JUST SHOT AT HIM.
If the guy had any sense, he would've jumped out of the way. No one would've been killed.
right, as oppose to a few shots being fired around the guy, because i know when a shot goes at/around/near me when i'm working, i magically grow steel balls and stand my ground out in the middle of the street. :rolleyes:
You make it sound like Code4 had a lifetime to think things through. Say he was going 40 mph on a residential road and he notices someone jump to the middle of the road with a gun and tries to wave him down. If he tries to stop then, he would come to a stop closer to the guy with the gun, and therefore, be a better target. If he stomps on the gas, he'll be a harder target, and if the carjacker's too busy getting out of the way, he won't be trying to line up his sights and getting a good sight picture.
For a cop, you don't seem to think on your feet too well invar.
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