[PICS] What happens when you eat less & exercise... [epic?]

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I think imageshack is down at the moment. Any other places to host pics out there?

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Awesome job! :applause:

Walked another hour today - not sure how far it was, though. Eight miles yesterday. I'm definitely feeling the inspiration!

Thanks again...and again.

That's awesome man, congratulations.

a++!

dont know you, but im very happy for you.

Walked another hour today - not sure how far it was, though. Eight miles yesterday. I'm definitely feeling the inspiration!

Thanks again...and again.

That's awesome to hear; I'm still blown away by the response.

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so can you dunk a basketball or what

i'll host the pics if you want.. pm me

i'll host the pics if you want.. pm me

Imageshack decided to either screw with their boxes or their host for about 5 minutes this afternoon. Should be good now...

Fraggal - there's some courts kinda close to my apartments I'll go test on this week.

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mmm, depends on what kind of atkins dieter you are. if youre those people who eat massive fatty steaks and look at it like "this can't hurt me, duh" then youre an idiot. if youre one of those people who actually takes the diet seriously and eats low-fat meats like salmon and shit then more power to you.

one problem i have with the atkins diet is that it doesn't change your metabolism like regular (low fat low cal) diets.

what you fail to realize, i think, is that your body NEEDS carbs. it isn't on the bottom of the food pyramid for no reason. the second you go back to eating normally you will plump up (sorry to burst your bubble) like you were before because your metabolism is exactly the same.

Nice job being completely wrong on all 3 counts.

1. the most agressive phase of Atkins has you getting 65% of your calories from fat - including "untrimmed meat", etc. Yes, you are supposed to eat a variety, watch processed meats and get a lot of it from oils, but people eating a lot of fat on this phase also lose the most weight.

Also - for people who are so metabolically challenged that they cannot lose weight on 20g per day of carbs - Dr. Atkins talks about a "fat fast" which is 1000 calories per day of 90% fat taken in (5) 200 calorie meals. Its pretty awful sounding, but it does jumpstart weight loss in people who cannot lose on normal diets.

2. Maybe you should go read up on just what a ketogenic diet is and what it does - it does change your metabolism. Once you get below about 50 carbs per day, your will usually go into ketosis and begin converting fat and protein to energy. Insulin levels stay low and insulin resistance usually improves. My blood pressure has dropped almost 25 points and is almost back to normal. I no longer get incredibly sleepy and low on energy, I am more alert at work (and just got a major promotion) I feel better than I have in 10 years. Oh, but I am sure its not because my metabolism has changed...

3. You really do not NEED carbs. You need the nutrients you get from veggies and eating those veggies delivers carbs to your body - but you do not need the carbs. Carbs are not not a nutrient, they are an energy source.

If you think the food pyramid is a model of healthy eating, they you are pretty clueless. Who do you think built that model? How about the grain growers of the country. Why do you think CVD has done nothing but go up every year since they introduced that abomination?


I am not saying carbs are evil - but I think the refined carbs and sugars that are in everything are just evil. They play havoc with peoples blood sugar and moods and waistlines. But if you are eating right and exercising and near your ideal weight, carbs are not a big deal at all. I can see myself going up to 50-100 carbs per day depending on my activity level. I dont miss rice/pasta/flour/sugar, I intend to stick with mostly green plants and delicious animal flesh even after I get to my goal.

Imageshack decided to either screw with their boxes or their host for about 5 minutes this afternoon. Should be good now...

Fraggal - there's some courts kinda close to my apartments I'll go test on this week.

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Check PMs Diox...

photoshopped? damn gj man

un beliveable man. Awesome work. That stationary bike idea sounds really good. I may do that.

what kind of bars did you eat when you were hungry? I only wanna lose about 20 pounds of fat, i snack on raw almonds and drink water, but its getting old....

can you tell me the brand etc please diox?
again nice job.

Nice job being completely wrong on all 3 counts.

1. the most agressive phase of Atkins has you getting 65% of your calories from fat - including "untrimmed meat", etc. Yes, you are supposed to eat a variety, watch processed meats and get a lot of it from oils, but people eating a lot of fat on this phase also lose the most weight.

Also - for people who are so metabolically challenged that they cannot lose weight on 20g per day of carbs - Dr. Atkins talks about a "fat fast" which is 1000 calories per day of 90% fat taken in (5) 200 calorie meals. Its pretty awful sounding, but it does jumpstart weight loss in people who cannot lose on normal diets.

2. Maybe you should go read up on just what a ketogenic diet is and what it does - it does change your metabolism. Once you get below about 50 carbs per day, your will usually go into ketosis and begin converting fat and protein to energy. Insulin levels stay low and insulin resistance usually improves. My blood pressure has dropped almost 25 points and is almost back to normal. I no longer get incredibly sleepy and low on energy, I am more alert at work (and just got a major promotion) I feel better than I have in 10 years. Oh, but I am sure its not because my metabolism has changed...

3. You really do not NEED carbs. You need the nutrients you get from veggies and eating those veggies delivers carbs to your body - but you do not need the carbs. Carbs are not not a nutrient, they are an energy source.

If you think the food pyramid is a model of healthy eating, they you are pretty clueless. Who do you think built that model? How about the grain growers of the country. Why do you think CVD has done nothing but go up every year since they introduced that abomination?


I am not saying carbs are evil - but I think the refined carbs and sugars that are in everything are just evil. They play havoc with peoples blood sugar and moods and waistlines. But if you are eating right and exercising and near your ideal weight, carbs are not a big deal at all. I can see myself going up to 50-100 carbs per day depending on my activity level. I dont miss rice/pasta/flour/sugar, I intend to stick with mostly green plants and delicious animal flesh even after I get to my goal.


Starving your body to lose weight is a good way to kill yourself.

"Dr. Atkins" truly isn't a person you should be listening to. He's made millions off of catering to obese people's psyches and making medically unsupported claims about the link between carbs and obesity.

As an introduction to this, there's a registered list of US dieters that have kept a significant amount of weight off for 5+ years: their diets are on average in congruence with the food pyramid. Despite the dozens of other diets (high protein, low fat, high fat, low carb etc etc), the people who are really keeping the weight off are eating the food pyramid.

Nice job being completely wrong on all 3 counts.

1. the most agressive phase of Atkins has you getting 65% of your calories from fat - including "untrimmed meat", etc. Yes, you are supposed to eat a variety, watch processed meats and get a lot of it from oils, but people eating a lot of fat on this phase also lose the most weight.

Also - for people who are so metabolically challenged that they cannot lose weight on 20g per day of carbs - Dr. Atkins talks about a "fat fast" which is 1000 calories per day of 90% fat taken in (5) 200 calorie meals. Its pretty awful sounding, but it does jumpstart weight loss in people who cannot lose on normal diets.

This is just ridiculous. You should never get more than 30% of your calories from fat. Fat gets stored in your liver (hepatomegaly is a "need to see your doctor and change your behavior quickly" problem), and eating 65% (or 90%!!!) is just ridiculous. It doesn't accomplish ANYTHING, since the only number ever correlated with weight reduction is the simple number of calories you eat, which can come from nutrient rich whole foods, or in these cases, oil extracts, which may or may not be saturated. If they're saturated fats or trans fats (and you're overweight) then you're wreaking havoc on your circulatory system as the cholesterol and triglycerides are deposited in your arteries. Fats are more calory dense than carbs, and saturated/trans fats are unhealthy for you. Getting the same calories from whole foods like vegetables will make you more full and leave you healthier.

2. Maybe you should go read up on just what a ketogenic diet is and what it does - it does change your metabolism. Once you get below about 50 carbs per day, your will usually go into ketosis and begin converting fat and protein to energy. Insulin levels stay low and insulin resistance usually improves. My blood pressure has dropped almost 25 points and is almost back to normal. I no longer get incredibly sleepy and low on energy, I am more alert at work (and just got a major promotion) I feel better than I have in 10 years. Oh, but I am sure its not because my metabolism has changed...

1. Insulin is a hormone that normally signals satiety ("fullness"). Insulin is elevated in the obese because obesity leads to insulin resistance for unknown reasons. You may know this already.

2. Diets do not cause "metabolic changes" in the sense that they don't change your basal metabolic energy usage. Your heart and brain and other tissues still use the same amount of energy they did before. Calorie restriction does two things: first, it changes hormone levels, so that you have increased ghrelin (which makes you hungry) and decreased insulin and leptin (which makes it harder for you to be full). The only "metabolic change" that dieting will have on you is a decrease in your voluntary usage of energy: you feel tired and you end up doing less things voluntarily, and be less active. This is why dieting MUST be accompanied by excersize -- without it, you will eat fewer calories but voluntarily burn fewer calories and end up not losing anything. The metabolic change you're talking about (ketogenesis) is not in itself something that helps you lose weight -- calory restriction, with or without a "ketogenic diet" will cause ketogenesis and make you lose weight. Ketogenesis without calory restriction does nothing (see below).

4. Purposefully initiating ketogenesis by restricting sugar accomplishes nothing so long as your calories are still high. You can eat pure fat and become ketotic, but it does NOTHING. Ketones are fuels that are derived by metabolizing fat, and are used by every part of your body (including brain). Ketosis is a "shocked" state of your body, since the body tries to stave of ketosis as long as possible, using up glycogen (which is just glucose stored in liver and in muscle -- although only the glycogen in liver becomes glucose that can be secreted into your blood) to keep blood glucose high; as the liver uses up it's glycogen, it initiates fat-burning (lipolysis), which releases ketone bodies from fat deposits in your body and you get ketosis. Ketosis is therefore a state where you've exhausted calories you've eaten as sugar. So eating low sugar, high fat will initiate ketosis, but the ketosis you're initiating does nothing but burn the fat you're eating. In order for ketosis to be helpful, you need to eat fewer calories (on the food pyramid, the atkins diet, or any diet). In this calory-restricted case, after you've burned through your sugar, the ketones in your blood comes from the fat you've got stored on your body (which leads to weight loss if your ingested calories are less than how much you've used). You cannot justify any diet by saying it is "ketogenic." The only thing that matters is how many calories you eat.

3. You really do not NEED carbs. You need the nutrients you get from veggies and eating those veggies delivers carbs to your body - but you do not need the carbs. Carbs are not not a nutrient, they are an energy source.

If you think the food pyramid is a model of healthy eating, they you are pretty clueless. Who do you think built that model? How about the grain growers of the country. Why do you think CVD has done nothing but go up every year since they introduced that abomination?

1. You need three alimentary things to live: calories, nutrients (which are essential amino acids, essential fatty acids, vitamins, minerals) and water. Carbs are a source of calories. They are "carbohydrates," which means carbon and water, like simple glucose (c6h12o6 -- notice the 6 molecules of h2o for 6 molecules of carbon, so more than half the weight of glucose is just calorie-neutral water) and all the different sugars (lactose, sucrose, starch, fructose etc). Fats are nothing more than carbon, with no water at all. As such, the carbon units are much more calory dense, because nearly all its weight is used to generate energy, with no calory-neutral water. In fact, burning fat requires the use of water, and so losing fat is a MASSIVELY dehydrating process -- which is why most people on atkins lose weight for the first 15 days: they're losing the water that's used to burn the fat or protein they're eating. If it comes to it (ie your liver has no glycogen left), protein can be burned for calories too, but this is dehydrating and a workload for your kidneys (which end up having to process more nitrogen than normal, which can become pathogenic after a while, especially if there isn't enough water in the body).

2. About the food pyramid: it most certainly IS a model of healthy eating. One problem with the food pyramid is that nobody obeys it. Its foundation of carbs is supposed to be unprocessed whole grains. But most people, when they "eat carbs" are really just drinking sugar in soda. That's not a food pyramid carb, that's just sugar (which is supposed to be at the top of the pyramid). Neither is white rice. Whole grain pasta/rice is a food pyramid carb, but just like a serving of whole grain bread is just two slices, a serving of whole grain pasta is a very small amount (relative to the normal american diet). So to follow the food pyramid, you need to be careful about your serving size as well as where the carbs are coming from.

3. CVD is only linked to a combination of high fat intake and obesity. If you're obese, the fat you eat is deposited in your CV system. It's NOT linked with eating the food pyramid, as you suggested, and the increase in this country of CVD is CERTAINLY not due to overeating carbs, since the the food pyramid suggests ~40% carbs, and in many other parts of the world, people who eat 75% carbs have MUCH lower CVD rates than we do. Saying that increases in CVD accompanied introduction of the food pyramid ignores the fact that during the same time the nation's overall calorie intake per capita has increased, which is a much more likely cause of the increased CVD. The nutrition problem of this country is simple: too much food.

I am not saying carbs are evil - but I think the refined carbs and sugars that are in everything are just evil. They play havoc with peoples blood sugar and moods and waistlines. But if you are eating right and exercising and near your ideal weight, carbs are not a big deal at all. I can see myself going up to 50-100 carbs per day depending on my activity level. I dont miss rice/pasta/flour/sugar, I intend to stick with mostly green plants and delicious animal flesh even after I get to my goal.

I don't know how healthily you follow Atkins. it's possible to do it right, just like it's possible to eat the food pyramid right, and end up healthy. But Atkins has a horrible risk of nitrogen overload, which will destroy your kidneys in 5 years if severe, and I'll just advise you to ask your doctor if you're eating too much nitrogen. The ONLY thing that makes you lose weight is keeping the number of calories you eat below the number you use, regardless if those calories come from pure sugar, from meat or from balanced meals (balanced meal means a meal with carb and vegetable as the base, fruits and meat added on -- you can see the %s from each food group online). Each of the non balanced diets have pitfalls: pure sugar leads to insulin spikes and post-prandial (ie post-meal) hypoglycemia and accompanied hunger, which leads to snacking and increased calory intake. High fat leads to hepatomegaly and increased risk of CVD. Animal fat is all saturated, which is bad for your CVsystem (if you're obese), so it should be kept low. Low fat runs a risk of missing your essential fatty acids, but certain low fat diets have been linked with better satiety (ie feeling more "full") and lower hunger rates, simply because you end up eating a whole lot of fiber, which isn't digestable. High protein leads to kidney damage (without a SHITLOAD of water, which ends up limiting how much protein you're taking in, if you're drinking what you're supposed to). Balanced diets have none of these pitfalls. So if your calories are right, there's NO reason to think that any diet will make you lose weight "better," and your diet should be based on the lack of pitfalls, specifically, the food pyramid.

Also, the other problem with atkins is that even if you eat it right, it's a much more expensive diet than a diet needs to be, which makes it a non-starter from an "endorsable diet for public health" standpoint. This, coupled with the ease-of-abuse (especially in the way it's marketed: "lose weight and eat all the meat you want" is a good way to get people who don't follow the other tenets killed) is why it's the Food Pyramid that's endorsed by the medical community, and not Atkins.

Sorry for all the parentheses. And please, don't bash the food pyramid. It's the best diet for our country, if people follow it right.

one problem i have with the atkins diet is that it doesn't change your metabolism like regular (low fat low cal) diets.
the second you go back to eating normally you will plump up (sorry to burst your bubble) like you were before because your metabolism is exactly the same.

Diets don't change your metabolism -- ie, they don't change how much energy your body uses to live through the day. They change your hormone levels and change your voluntary energy usage.

The reason you plump up after getting off a calorie-restricted diet is that your hormone levels cause you to feel more hungry when you're not eating, and feel full later than usual when you are eating, and because you feel lethargic.

Hormone levels will return to normal (and prevent plumping up) if, after dieting to lose weight, you change to a diet that eats as many calories as you use with regular excersize in your life, and stick to that for a while.

(see above for a more complete discussion of what diets do to your metabolism)

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I cant disagree with much of anything you are saying. I dont eat a lot of processed meat so I think my nitrate intake is not too bad. I do eat bacon from time to time, but not more than 2x per week usually. Oops, I do have maybe 3oz of Sausage for breafast about every other day.

But I also make sure I drink about a gallon of water per day.

I am not completely convinced about the direct link of fat and CVD. I think there are some X factors that are not fully understood, but I am open to convincing either way. However, if you are in lipolysys and you eat a steak or some pork, your body (assuming you are exercising and not over eating) should be able to burn that fat pretty easily. Much more easily than a if you eat a bunch of rice or pasta with it.

One thing I think people overlook is that meat is really not that calorie dense. There is also the "thermic" factor that when you eat 100 calories of chicken, you net about 70 calories due to the energy it takes to process that chicken into energy.

The Atkins diet is working well for me - I have done a lot of reading and I am trying to make sure I cover the bases - exercise, suppliments and lots and lots of water.

The one thing I have to watch is low carb icecream. I can easily resist any normal snack - I can be around them all day, but LCIC is my nemisis and I have to just stay away.