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cylus 01-25-2005, 07:07 PM I play a level 60 dwarf paladin, I don't have that great of equipment, but hey, I can't kill crap! Pvp for a paladin is a joke, seeing as how anyone can run away from one, most can kite one, and we can't run away from anyone. I am using a 51.2 dps polearm with 75 wounding chance on hit. 3700hp, 3600mp, 4264 armor. Sure I can shield and heal myself a few times, but I can't kill a lot of classes 10 levels lower than me. This has nothing to do with my PVP skills as I believe I'm quite competent. I'm specced with 32 in Holy, 15 retribution, 4 protection. I've tried doing all retribution, I get a few more crits but I get kited even more without holy shock. The only class I can successfully beat is probably a warrior, anyone who knows how to play there class can beat a paladin with exception of a warrior because they're gimped even moreso.
/rant
floorpunching 01-25-2005, 07:29 PM the game isn't balanced for 1v1. Anyone who is smart is going to run / kite you because thats the only real way to beat a paladin.
Wait for battlegrounds, roll a rogue or something in the mean time.
Why not go 1h/shield and make yourself harder to kill?
cylus 01-25-2005, 07:43 PM Why not go 1h/shield and make yourself harder to kill?
Because then I wouldn't even be able to gank level 30's in Tarren Mills.
Sir Lucius 01-25-2005, 09:34 PM Maybe they should give you a mount that's even freer and shoots rocketballs out of its face.
Raven 01-25-2005, 09:54 PM lol
cylus, heres your diagnoses
your an awful paladin
Helado 01-25-2005, 10:09 PM Paladins are very gear based. You found the answer to your problem in the first sentence of your post.
I play a level 60 dwarf paladin, I don't have that great of equipment, but hey, I can't kill crap! Pvp for a paladin is a joke, seeing as how anyone can run away from one, most can kite one, and we can't run away from anyone. I am using a 51.2 dps polearm with 75 wounding chance on hit. 3700hp, 3600mp, 4264 armor. Sure I can shield and heal myself a few times, but I can't kill a lot of classes 10 levels lower than me. This has nothing to do with my PVP skills as I believe I'm quite competent. I'm specced with 32 in Holy, 15 retribution, 4 protection. I've tried doing all retribution, I get a few more crits but I get kited even more without holy shock. The only class I can successfully beat is probably a warrior, anyone who knows how to play there class can beat a paladin with exception of a warrior because they're gimped even moreso.
/rant
strength of a paladin is endurance not killing power
JohnnyX 01-26-2005, 01:05 AM should've rolled a rogue if you want to gank people
You're retarded, paladins are the most ungimped class if you know how to play them.
krustyy 01-26-2005, 02:20 AM people dont really need to know their own class in order to reach 60 in the game but it isnt because of the quest system. It's just because its not very difficult to grind your way to 60 by killing mobs 3 levels lower than you.
The past several weeks, ive only been able to play on my lunch breaks. Each day I would get about half a level of rest that I would fill up in the one hour of play by mostly grinding.
The problem with MMOs is that you don't actually need any skill to reach 60. You just need time. Personally, I like to challenge myself by taking mobs several levels higher than me. It's more fun to kill one mob and get 400 exp than to kill 8 mobs and get 50 exp each.
JodoFett 01-26-2005, 03:17 AM So I am a Druid right (LOL!) and this lvl 50 Shaman was fighting some stuff, so I went cat form and I stealthed and he was still at like half health and I killed him! Damn I am cool.
Archimedes 01-26-2005, 03:55 AM :lol: I take out Paladins on a daily basis. If people actually knew how to play warriors instead of just pointing and clicking, they would do a lot better.
KambuL 01-26-2005, 08:45 AM I don't think paladins are bad really, but they aren't good either. Their DPS is crap, and going retribution doesn't even really help. I would say that having a good weapon would be more of a factor in your damage output then talent choices.
As far as holy shock goes, I think it's almost as much of a waste as blessing of might. It costs too much mana and doesn't do nearly enough damage to be worth it in my mind. You might be able to pick off somebody with it if they are low on health, but I think that going down the protection tree and getting repentance would be a better option. At least with repentance, you can interrupt a priest trying to mana burn you.
As far as I go, I run with Seal of the Crusader and Blessing of Wisdom pretty much exclusively. I only change seals to throw judgment of wisdom on somebody occasionally. Here is my current build, although I am seriously considering dropping retribution all together and going down protection. If I even play my paladin anymore.
Holy Talents (21 points)
# Spiritual Focus - 5/5 points
Gives your Flash of Light and Holy Light spells a 70% chance to not lose casting time when you take damage.
# Illumination - 5/5 points
After getting a critical effect from your Flash of Light or Holy Light spell, gives you a ? chance to gain Mana equal to the base cost of the spell.
# Improved Blessing of Wisdom - 5/5 points
Increases the effect of your Blessing of Wisdom by 20%.
# Divine Favor - 1/1 point
When activated, gives your next Flash of Light or Holy Light spell a 100% critical effect chance.
# Divine Wisdom - 5/5 points
Increases your total Mana by 10%.
Protection Talents (0 points)
# None
Retribution Talents (30 points)
# Benediction - 5/5 points
Reduces the Mana cost of your Retribution spells by 15%.
# Improved Seal of the Crusader - 5/5 points
Increases the Attack Power bonus of your Seal of the Crusader and the Holy damage increase of your Judgement of the Crusader by 15%.
# Vengeance - 5/5 points
Gives you a 15% bonus to Physical and Holy damage you deal for 8 seconds after dealing a critical strike.
# Deflection - 5/5 points
Increases your Parry chance by 5%.
# Anticipation - 5/5 points
Increases your Defense skill by 10.
# Conviction - 5/5 points
Increases your chance to get a critical strike with melee weapons by 5%.
Bridude 01-26-2005, 12:00 PM Maybe they should give you a mount that's even freer and shoots rocketballs out of its face.
:lol:
Raven 01-26-2005, 12:37 PM hahaha man there are so many bad wow players
god bad spec
KambuL 01-26-2005, 01:02 PM hahaha man there are so many bad wow players
god bad spec
Please enlighten me to the best spec Mr badass paladin. I couldn't possibly know what I'm talking about. If you don't, you are full of shit.
Oh wait, my spec is probably bad because I missed out on such amazing talents as "Improved Devotion Aura" "Toughness" or "Two handed Weapon Specialization".
IHateU2 01-26-2005, 02:24 PM So what is a good class then? Ive heard people complain that
Druids are gimped
Warlocks have balance issues
Warriors are Gimped
Paladins are gimped
hunters need more love
All I know is I have a 54 Paladin and its amazing. I did BRD last night and functioned well as the main healer, we had a death here and there but I would rez them. Then my group almost wiped out not because I couldnt heal well but because they fucked up on some pull, I just casted divine intervention on the main tank paladin and it saved the raid. It was my first time in BRD and we killed many bosses but wiped out in the bar because someone made them all aggro and we decided to call it quits.
Dont even get me started on PvP. Were amazing. When I was in my low 50's me and another paladin killed 4 or 5 horde that were low 50's high 40's who tried to jump us.
I think people who whine that pallys sucks just suck. (btw im a ret holy specced pally)
floorpunching 01-26-2005, 08:19 PM Please enlighten me to the best spec Mr badass paladin. I couldn't possibly know what I'm talking about. If you don't, you are full of shit.
Oh wait, my spec is probably bad because I missed out on such amazing talents as "Improved Devotion Aura" "Toughness" or "Two handed Weapon Specialization".
sry, gimps must stay gimps while we roll in the phat pvp reward lewtz.
Draynar 01-26-2005, 11:09 PM well equipped paladin has some serious dps. and just use your mount and stun them till they die if they run. but ya not easy to gank as paladin but in group combat 2v2 up to raid size paladins turn into monsters on the field very fast with peopletrying to drop thema nd wasting time because of immunities and getting ownd by his friends. or ignoring the paladin and he heals all his allies.
Becomes a pretty nasty catch 22 paladins cause.
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