Warning: Paladins are gimped

well equipped paladin has some serious dps. and just use your mount and stun them till they die if they run. but ya not easy to gank as paladin but in group combat 2v2 up to raid size paladins turn into monsters on the field very fast with peopletrying to drop thema nd wasting time because of immunities and getting ownd by his friends. or ignoring the paladin and he heals all his allies.
Becomes a pretty nasty catch 22 paladins cause.

No offense but have you ever played a paladin? You aren't going to come close to killing anything during hammer of justice, even if you spec entirely in retribution. And in 1 vs 1, you don't 'always' want to use HoJ for dealing damage. As far as group pvp goes, I agree that paladins become more useful. But they aren't unstoppable.

My guild is all in their 40's, so I don't exactly have an option to go pvping with them. Basically I solo pvp because everyone I've made friends with is in their mid-50's since I passed them up, and they all want to finish leveling to 60. I know how to play a paladin, I am experienced in pvp, it's not that I suck. When I said my equipment wasn't that great, is because none of it is really rare, rather green items for around level 50-56. My weapon is http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=16953 I've done BRD, BRS a few times each and have nothing good really to show from either yet. I imagine once I get better equipment I'll be able to do a bit more damage before people are able to run away, then it might take them longer to get some health back while I'm chasing them! I am using mithril spurs, carrot on a stick, and normal 60% mount.

So what is a good class then? Ive heard people complain that
Druids are gimped
Warlocks have balance issues
Warriors are Gimped
Paladins are gimped
hunters need more love

All I know is I have a 54 Paladin and its amazing. I did BRD last night and functioned well as the main healer, we had a death here and there but I would rez them. Then my group almost wiped out not because I couldnt heal well but because they fucked up on some pull, I just casted divine intervention on the main tank paladin and it saved the raid. It was my first time in BRD and we killed many bosses but wiped out in the bar because someone made them all aggro and we decided to call it quits.

Dont even get me started on PvP. Were amazing. When I was in my low 50's me and another paladin killed 4 or 5 horde that were low 50's high 40's who tried to jump us.

I think people who whine that pallys sucks just suck. (btw im a ret holy specced pally)"were amazing" pvp? going a little far are we? i wouldn't call any class "amazing" pvp.

Its funny because people keep saying "hey I'm a paladin and I wtfpwn everyone and me and another paladin killed 5 guys". Guess what, I can say the same shit. In fact, most of the time I spend on my paladin is outside of ironforge dueling people. I would say I win 95% of my duels, even vs people 5 + levels higher then me. It's not that you are somehow better then everyone else. It's the fact that you win because other people don't know how to play their class to its fullest potential against the paladin. So yeah, I win most of my duels, but that doesn't mean shit. At least when I'm dueling I can recognize that I'm winning because the other guy is a moron. And not because I'm doing anything special outside of playing smart. The paladin only goes so far in 1 vs 1 pvp.

this is what happens when i fight paladins


fight fight stun, fight, aoe explosion thing. (meanwhile im frostshocking to keep range and running in for a few hits)

theyre about to die. shield and heal while i heal. repeat same process. use the stupid full health seal or whatever when im close to killing. full health again. now im nearly out of mana. i die

fuck paladins. the only real time i kill them is when they dont use that stupid fucking full health redemption bs or if i get a windfury proc and shock them before they get their shield up

The only really "bad" class right now is Warriors, and they're really not that bad off. Hamstring and Overpower go a long way to beat the hell out of people.

Yeah Druids, Warriors, Warlocks, Priests, Hunters, Mages all need tweaking, and most of that tweaking is just fixing glaring oversights and bugs that have been there since beta. For example, the Mage Arcane Missile randomly not firing but still channeling and taking mana.

Paladins are great, not quite sure what you're doing wrong. The power of a Paladin isn't killing speed, it's being able to live the longest. If you started a Paladin to kill things fast, you need to get your head checked.

Buddy of mine has a 51 Paladin and he regularly spanks people 2-3 levels higher than him, so I don't know what you're doing wrong. :shrug:

I play a level 60 dwarf paladin, I don't have that great of equipment, but hey, I can't kill crap! Pvp for a paladin is a joke, seeing as how anyone can run away from one, most can kite one, and we can't run away from anyone. I am using a 51.2 dps polearm with 75 wounding chance on hit. 3700hp, 3600mp, 4264 armor. Sure I can shield and heal myself a few times, but I can't kill a lot of classes 10 levels lower than me. This has nothing to do with my PVP skills as I believe I'm quite competent. I'm specced with 32 in Holy, 15 retribution, 4 protection. I've tried doing all retribution, I get a few more crits but I get kited even more without holy shock. The only class I can successfully beat is probably a warrior, anyone who knows how to play there class can beat a paladin with exception of a warrior because they're gimped even moreso.

/rant

Spoken like a true noob.

I suggest you reroll as a rogue or priest.

Its funny because people keep saying "hey I'm a paladin and I wtfpwn everyone and me and another paladin killed 5 guys". Guess what, I can say the same shit. In fact, most of the time I spend on my paladin is outside of ironforge dueling people. I would say I win 95% of my duels, even vs people 5 + levels higher then me. It's not that you are somehow better then everyone else. It's the fact that you win because other people don't know how to play their class to its fullest potential against the paladin. So yeah, I win most of my duels, but that doesn't mean shit. At least when I'm dueling I can recognize that I'm winning because the other guy is a moron. And not because I'm doing anything special outside of playing smart. The paladin only goes so far in 1 vs 1 pvp.
I was trying to say wtf paladins "own" everything in sight but they are pretty good in PvP in the right circumstances. My 2v5 example was true I didnt make it up, but I do recognize the main reason we won was because it took place in a cave so the enemy couldnt kite us around from afar, we were right up on them.

You obviously missed the fact that all I was trying to do was tell the original poster that paladins are far from "gimped".

I guess so.

Paladins are not gimped. In fact they are one of the best PvE classes there are.

Druids aren't gimped, they just need tuning.

Warriors are definitely gimped, they are essentially just animate punching bags.

Hunters are another exception PvE class. They need to fix the fucking pet swimming speed in water.

priests need some tuning, every nerf that has ever happened has been twice as bad on a priest

I still like part of the soothe nerf. I agree that soothe should only work on humanoids. But I don't agree that it should have a cast time, that just removes a lot of it's usefulness.

Yeah, I don't use Soothe animal at all, I sort of used it before just when I was traveling. All they need to do to fix the problem or whatever they have with it is give it like a 5 second cooldown or something.

No offense but have you ever played a paladin? You aren't going to come close to killing anything during hammer of justice, even if you spec entirely in retribution. And in 1 vs 1, you don't 'always' want to use HoJ for dealing damage. As far as group pvp goes, I agree that paladins become more useful. But they aren't unstoppable.
I use crusader or I use judgement w/crusader and switch over to seal of command.

I am about 50 now and am a Warrior I fair well against pally's now
as long as I am packing a heal potion.
that immune is annoying but it doesnt last forever